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Post by socalredsfan on Jan 25, 2018 21:20:23 GMT -5
Well, shit... the Brewers get Yelich and then some. They made quite a splash today. Looks like it's going to be another downer of a season, honestly. The Central is pretty well loaded with the Cubs, Cards, and Brewers. But hey, at least we're not Shittsburg! We should be able to stay out of the cellar, if the pitching cooperates. In fairness, it looks like the Marlins finally made a good deal. Brewers gave up an awful lot. I'm not sure I would have liked to have seen the Reds give up 3 of their top 14 prospects. |
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Post by clinz on Jan 26, 2018 8:26:46 GMT -5
Well, shit... the Brewers get Yelich and then some. They made quite a splash today. Looks like it's going to be another downer of a season, honestly. The Central is pretty well loaded with the Cubs, Cards, and Brewers. But hey, at least we're not Shittsburg! We should be able to stay out of the cellar, if the pitching cooperates. In fairness, it looks like the Marlins finally made a good deal. Brewers gave up an awful lot. I'm not sure I would have liked to have seen the Reds give up 3 of their top 14 prospects. I agree with you, Doug Gray (Reds minor league writer) said it would be the equivalent of giving up Senzel, Trammell, Long and Jose Lopez. No thanks, I'm not giving up four future pieces when we're still a couple years out. Plus the production of the three fielders will be greater than Yelich. |
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Post by claycc on Jan 26, 2018 13:01:42 GMT -5
My point was that the Brewers made a deal to improve on a team that wasn't that far off in the first place. If they aren't neck and neck with the Cubs this season, I'd be surprised. Especially when the article about the Yelich and Cain pickups are that the Brewers are even more so in a position to make deals to improve. The Brewers may very well be the team to beat this season.
The Cardinals look to be the middle of the pack team in the Central. Maybe we can compete with them in the standings. But we have a LONG way to go to compete higher.
There's no doubt in my mind that the Pirates are at the bottom now. But if our pitching implodes, as we fear, we could find ourselves there instead.
We've been stuck in this state of mind of when we will be ready to compete. 2018? Nope. 2019? Probably not. 2020? I doubt it. We're so far behind the curve. And we're so one dimensional about it. When we're finally ready to compete, the Pirates probably will be as well. That's not even considering what the Cubs, Cards, and Brewers are doing with their teams... and they aren't trying to compete. They are trying to go all the way.
I get that a Yelich deal would have been too expensive for us. That's why I threw out the possibility of a 3-team deal several days ago, in order to limit how much we gave up directly to the Marlins. I figured it wouldn't happen. I just didn't think a Central team would get him. Not getting him is OK. The direct competition getting him really sucks.
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Post by clinz on Jan 26, 2018 14:19:39 GMT -5
We have what you call the meddling owner syndrome. I believe Bob has held this team back due to his friendship and likeability of players. Keeping players too long, losing leverage or just keeping players. It definitely has stalled our rebuild. The Reds have drafted well recently with our minor league system ranked 6th now. It's not a definite that all of these players will pan out either which could delay how competitive they are. Let's hope the pitching starts to come into place. If it does the road to competitiveness could come sooner.
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Post by Rodneck on Jan 26, 2018 15:28:50 GMT -5
I get what everybody is saying.
When the Brewcrew made that trade it was a reminder to us that we wish we would be in a position to make such a trade that might be an over the top trade with along with the Cain acquisition gives them even more flexibility to make more trades/acquisitions. They have played their cards right and could put themselves in a position to be a deep playoff contender. They might fail but when they get close they gamble and try to win the whole pot. We are so far removed from that level of reality and when we were at least a playoff contender we did not possess that killer instinct mentality. So here we sit and wait wondering not only what the immediate future brings but what happens when we are good enough to contend again does the front office possess the go for it mode?
But I don't trade a Senzel/Lopez for Yelich either. We have to stick to our guns because when the pitching clicks and some callups happen we could be good quickly. We could be at least instantly over .500 which IMO won't be til 2019.
I think the season will be interesting and potentially fun.
Unless we are buried by June and the Reds become plan B as in backburner to all other summer desires!! I sure hope not!
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Post by clinz on Jan 26, 2018 17:34:55 GMT -5
I get what everybody is saying. When the Brewcrew made that trade it was a reminder to us that we wish we would be in a position to make such a trade that might be an over the top trade with along with the Cain acquisition gives them even more flexibility to make more trades/acquisitions. They have played their cards right and could put themselves in a position to be a deep playoff contender. They might fail but when they get close they gamble and try to win the whole pot. We are so far removed from that level of reality and when we were at least a playoff contender we did not possess that killer instinct mentality. So here we sit and wait wondering not only what the immediate future brings but what happens when we are good enough to contend again does the front office possess the go for it mode? But I don't trade a Senzel/Lopez for Yelich either. We have to stick to our guns because when the pitching clicks and some callups happen we could be good quickly. We could be at least instantly over .500 which IMO won't be til 2019. I think the season will be interesting and potentially fun. Unless we are buried by June and the Reds become plan B as in backburner to all other summer desires!! I sure hope not! Amen, brother |
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Post by Rodneck on Jan 27, 2018 18:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by socalredsfan on Jan 28, 2018 22:58:07 GMT -5
What frustrates me with this organization right now, is the opinion that they are a year away. That ticks me off. I firmly believe that had they signed Cozart, and couple him with a full year of Winker, and a 3/4 year of Senzel, the offense would have been top notch. I may be out there on this, but I truly believe the rotation looks like it could be downright outstanding. At a minimum, 3 of the kids should be very good to outstanding. Take your pick on which three. We could have dealt one of out outfielders for some pitching strength, and this team, I believe could have really been in the mix. Instead, they appear to be willing to waste another year of Votto, and his remarkable Reds career. Frustrating to say the least.
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Post by claycc on Jan 29, 2018 0:32:50 GMT -5
What frustrates me with this organization right now, is the opinion that they are a year away. That ticks me off. I firmly believe that had they signed Cozart, and couple him with a full year of Winker, and a 3/4 year of Senzel, the offense would have been top notch. I may be out there on this, but I truly believe the rotation looks like it could be downright outstanding. At a minimum, 3 of the kids should be very good to outstanding. Take your pick on which three. We could have dealt one of out outfielders for some pitching strength, and this team, I believe could have really been in the mix. Instead, they appear to be willing to waste another year of Votto, and his remarkable Reds career. Frustrating to say the least. I agree about the rotation. Bailey can easily go out to the mound and show flashes of being a dominant shutdown pitcher. It's only my opinion, true, but if he can put up decent numbers AND potentially throw another no-hitter... he could be a shoe-in for the hall. He has two... how many pitchers have 3+? And how many of those are in the hall?? That's what Bailey brings to the table though. Disco is no slouch. And some of the kids are exciting. Reading the story about Garrett was encouraging... I liked his attitude with his comments. I was down him last season and thought he needed to pull his head out of his ass. Looks like he did. Hope so! Because if he's legitimately back in the rotation mix, watch out NL Central! You're not gonna get an easy game from the Reds... so forget about an easy series! I feel the same about the outfielders too. Hamilton can go at any time. I'm fine with that, but we need a good defender out in CF no matter what. It's likely a solid CFer could also be a bit better with the OBP as well. That speed sure would be missed though. But if he can't get on base enough, that speed doesn't matter. Schebler can go... but I didn't really realize how few at-bats he's had in the majors. He might start showing a lot of improvement with the bat as far as AVG goes, so it might be interesting to hold on to him to see. But it might be the right time to let that ship sail as well. Duvall should stick around the longest, but doing so probably reduces his value. Getting Winker in is key right now. Cozart leaving doesn't really bother me. But what does bother me is that we're pretty much all-in now with Peraza and Gennett at middle infield until Senzel comes up. If Walt was still calling the shots, he would have signed or traded for a veteran middle infielder and gave them the starting SS job. At least now we will find out what we have, instead of cockblocking what we should be looking at. Walt would have signed junk middle relievers to guaranteed contracts, too. So far, Hughes is the only one with a guaranteed contract and the consensus is that he was a good signing. All the other signings have been minor league with spring invites. GOOD! Of course, we're still looking at the possibility of an invite performing well in spring, making the opening day roster, and then sucking ass once the season starts. But we'll see about that. Hopefully it doesn't happen. It's time to compete, damn it. All this front office talk about building up to compete in 2018, 2019, or 2020, when we're ready, is bullshit. We're not on our schedule for that. We're on every other teams' schedule as well. That's my complaint about the Brewers acquisitions. Unless they turn into sellers at some point, Yelich is a Brewer for the next two or three years. I didn't even bother to look at what kind of contract they gave Cain, but its probably about the same time period. They've decided that they are competing... not just this season, but next season as well... and the season after that. And we're hoping that we're coming to the end of our rebuild waiting game sometime soon? Ugh. It's just sickening to me. |
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Post by Rodneck on Jan 29, 2018 19:51:59 GMT -5
What frustrates me with this organization right now, is the opinion that they are a year away. That ticks me off. I firmly believe that had they signed Cozart, and couple him with a full year of Winker, and a 3/4 year of Senzel, the offense would have been top notch. I may be out there on this, but I truly believe the rotation looks like it could be downright outstanding. At a minimum, 3 of the kids should be very good to outstanding. Take your pick on which three. We could have dealt one of out outfielders for some pitching strength, and this team, I believe could have really been in the mix. Instead, they appear to be willing to waste another year of Votto, and his remarkable Reds career. Frustrating to say the least. Yep they pretend as if they have an infinite amount of time. It just goes to show that even highly successful individuals are victims of their own bullshit and can delude themselves. Especially concerning things that are NOT their profession. It's sad and uninspiring to see Votto's brilliant career being squandered. |
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Post by redsfan4life on Jan 30, 2018 15:32:38 GMT -5
Here is a little good news. Saw Price say he has it worked out on paper and barring injury poor, preformance or a trade of one. He said he is going to use a 4 man OF rotation and try to get each 500 plate apperences. So it looks like Winker will play.
Said they doubt Senzel makes opening day roster unless he kills ball in spring and forces there hand. Said he would for sure be up this season. Sounds like he is being held back till May for contract purposes.
The Video below is not related to these comments. Read these comments from Price on a different Carivan stop.
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Post by redsfan4life on Jan 30, 2018 15:35:35 GMT -5
2018 Reds Carivan charleston wv. Price,Senzel
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Post by redsfan4life on Jan 30, 2018 15:57:42 GMT -5
Reds sign David Hernandez 2 years 5 mil. I guess that wraps up the offseason barring a trade of a OFer. Hernandez has good stuff but is a fly ball pitcher. That could be a diaster.
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Post by claycc on Jan 30, 2018 17:49:41 GMT -5
Reds sign David Hernandez 2 years 5 mil. I guess that wraps up the offseason barring a trade of a OFer. Hernandez has good stuff but is a fly ball pitcher. That could be a diaster. I like it. He didn't give up a HR last year until he joined the D-backs for their playoff push. Their stadium is considered hitter friendly. And he's pitched in the Phillies' band box with success as well. Bullpen is starting to look really solid. So, its gonna be on the kids in the rotation, along with Bailey and Disco. If they perform, watch out. I still think we're behind the curve though. If it took 95+ wins to take the Central and we fired on all cylinders... we wouldn't get above 94. lol Not that we're getting there anyhow. Also surprised to read that this signing puts us over $100m in payroll. Mesoraco is the next 'big money' to come off the books, followed by Bailey. By that point, arbitration will be catching up with us, I'm sure. |
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Post by claycc on Jan 30, 2018 17:59:57 GMT -5
2018 Reds Carivan charleston wv. Price,Senzel Didn't notice if they stopped in Portsmouth. They usually do every year, even though it's never on the schedule. They love to eat food from the Scioto Ribber in Portsmouth. If they don't make a stop in Portsmouth, they always contact the Scioto Ribber to arrange catering service in another nearby town. They always stopped to visit with Gene Bennett as well, but this will be the first offseason since his passing. This is Don Gullett's neck of the woods too, but I don't recall him participating with their visits here. I know a few of the waitresses from the Scioto Ribber and one of them always posts pictures from when they cater for the caravan's rest stop here. I've seen some pretty cool pics of the waitresses posing for pics with old and current Reds players and prospects, as well as just sitting around talking with Gene Bennett. Al Oliver is a Portsmouth native and he always hangs out with them on their rest stop as well. |
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