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Post by 77bengal on Feb 17, 2016 17:00:35 GMT -5
77 I know you are fixed on a DT. So I am. But this drft is not short on them heres a list and where they rank.. Ashawn Robinson Alabama Rd1 Sheldon Rankins RD 1-2 Vernon Butler 1-2 Jarron Reed 1-2 Andrew Billings 1-2 Robert Mkemdiche 1-3 Adolphus Washington 1-3 Kenny Clark 1-3 Hassan Ridgeway 2-3 Johnathan Bullard 2-3 Sheldon Day 2-3 Austin Johnson 2-3 Maliek Collins 2-3 Willy Henry 2-4 Jihad Ward 2-4 Chris Jones 3-4 and I wouldn't balk at having him I just named 16 players at DT that should all be rd 1-2 talent but there are so many its pick your flavor. They all can't go in 1st 2 rds. As far as LBs go I think I mentioned by mistake draft was low on them but I was thinking FA. I will start another post on LBs. Nice list, but I only consider four of them being worthy of a first round selection and/or first year difference makers. These four difference makers include prospects A'Shawn Robinson, Sheldon Rankins, Vernon Butler and Andrew Billings. The next best are Adolphus Washington, Maliek Collins and Sheldon Day. All three of these guys are capable of coming in and contributing in year one, but they aren't quite on the level of my top four but Collins is close. Kenny Clark isn't a pass rusher but he's great at stuffing the run so I wouldn't consider him until round three. Robert Nkemdiche is a beast but he's off my board per character issues. Jonathan Bullard is more of a DE in my opinon but I hope the Bengals consider him if he's available in round two or later. Bullard does have some red flags that need to be addressed first. Jarren Reed, Austin Johnson, Hassan Ridgeway and Willy Henry are all overrated to varying degrees in my opinion. Reed, Johnson and Ridgeway are third to fifth rounders and Henry isn't even on my board. I haven't seen Jihad Ward or Chris Jones play so I don't have an opinion on them as of now, but I'll take a look at them in the near future.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 17, 2016 17:48:37 GMT -5
Only 4 huh? Well opinions vary. I'm sure a lot of coaches would disagree with that. That's why you have 1st rd busts and 5th rd probowlers
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 17, 2016 22:10:00 GMT -5
Only 4 huh? Well opinions vary. I'm sure a lot of coaches would disagree with that. That's why you have 1st rd busts and 5th rd probowlers I think there are only four DTs worthy of first round consideration as it stands right now. if Nkemdiche pans out mentally, then he too is worth a first round selection which would make five. But I don't see more than four or five going in round one. However, I also have Adolphus Washington, Maliek Collins and Sheldon Day listed as players that can contribute this year. Their just not as talented as my four or five first rounders. That makes eight if Nkemdiche pans out and Kenny Clark would make nine as far as being a player that can contribute this year. I'm fairly confident that most coaches and scouts would agree, for the most part, with my rankings. But these rankings will fluctuate after the combine and pro days. Don't forget that I had the Bengals selecting DT Aaron Donald in round one when almost every draft site had him listed as a third rounder. I even had the Bengals trading up to get him if need be and now he's considered by many to be the best player in the league on either side of the ball. However, I would like to see more video of DT Kenny Clark and DT Hassan Ridgeway. There's a chance both of these guys are better than I'm aware of but I need to see more. Keep in mind that I could care less where draft sites rank players and I suspect you don't care either. I rank players as I see them, not somebody else, and I've been fairly accurate over the years.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 20, 2016 6:28:21 GMT -5
77 I know you are fixed on a DT. So I am. But this drft is not short on them heres a list and where they rank.. Ashawn Robinson Alabama Rd1 Sheldon Rankins RD 1-2 Vernon Butler 1-2 Jarron Reed 1-2 Andrew Billings 1-2 Robert Mkemdiche 1-3 Adolphus Washington 1-3 Kenny Clark 1-3 Hassan Ridgeway 2-3 Johnathan Bullard 2-3 Sheldon Day 2-3 Austin Johnson 2-3 Maliek Collins 2-3 Willy Henry 2-4 Jihad Ward 2-4 Chris Jones 3-4 and I wouldn't balk at having him I just named 16 players at DT that should all be rd 1-2 talent but there are so many its pick your flavor. They all can't go in 1st 2 rds. As far as LBs go I think I mentioned by mistake draft was low on them but I was thinking FA. I will start another post on LBs. Nice list, but I only consider four of them being worthy of a first round selection and/or first year difference makers. These four difference makers include prospects A'Shawn Robinson, Sheldon Rankins, Vernon Butler and Andrew Billings. The next best are Adolphus Washington, Maliek Collins and Sheldon Day. All three of these guys are capable of coming in and contributing in year one, but they aren't quite on the level of my top four but Collins is close. Kenny Clark isn't a pass rusher but he's great at stuffing the run so I wouldn't consider him until round three. Robert Nkemdiche is a beast but he's off my board per character issues. Jonathan Bullard is more of a DE in my opinon but I hope the Bengals consider him if he's available in round two or later. Bullard does have some red flags that need to be addressed first. Jarren Reed, Austin Johnson, Hassan Ridgeway and Willy Henry are all overrated to varying degrees in my opinion. Reed, Johnson and Ridgeway are third to fifth rounders and Henry isn't even on my board. I haven't seen Jihad Ward or Chris Jones play so I don't have an opinion on them as of now, but I'll take a look at them in the near future.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 20, 2016 6:45:19 GMT -5
I just read espn is reporting theres virtually no chance Sanu will return. This came from several sources that said he will draw interest from Browns Falcons and giants. This makes sense since Sanu's production has gone down mainly because of Eifert. I think Sanu and Jones will want a shot to follow Jackson. If they want to go to a losing franchise so be it. It will be difficult for Jackson to turn them around in his first season. I don't see Hue being successful there.
I don't see them being able to sign both Iloka and Jones. Safeties are hard to come by. Iloka is still young so I think signing him is more important. Mock drafts including Kiper have the Bengals taking a WR. Doctson. The next few weeks will be interesting to see who stays and who goes. The only way I see the Bengals going after a top FA (out of the norm for them) is if they lose both Iloka and Jones. Its looking more like a WR is inevitable in the draft actually 2.
Dolphins reaching out to Mathews WR trying to get a deal done so he won't be an option. Bears wont let Jeffries go easily.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 20, 2016 21:57:39 GMT -5
I just read espn is reporting theres virtually no chance Sanu will return. This came from several sources that said he will draw interest from Browns Falcons and giants. This makes sense since Sanu's production has gone down mainly because of Eifert. I think Sanu and Jones will want a shot to follow Jackson. If they want to go to a losing franchise so be it. It will be difficult for Jackson to turn them around in his first season. I don't see Hue being successful there.
I don't see them being able to sign both Iloka and Jones. Safeties are hard to come by. Iloka is still young so I think signing him is more important. Mock drafts including Kiper have the Bengals taking a WR. Doctson. The next few weeks will be interesting to see who stays and who goes. The only way I see the Bengals going after a top FA (out of the norm for them) is if they lose both Iloka and Jones. Its looking more like a WR is inevitable in the draft actually 2.
Dolphins reaching out to Mathews WR trying to get a deal done so he won't be an option. Bears wont let Jeffries go easily. If the Bengals don't re-sign Sanu or Jones or a free agent WR, they will almost be forced to grab one in round one and another one within the next three rounds. It's my opinion that Josh Doctson is the best WR in this draft class. Doctson has blazing speed and makes difficult catches look rather easy. His ability to climb the ladder to bring in a pass is amazing and he should be an immediate starter from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bengals are prepared to match almost any offer Jones or Iloka will receive allowing lesser players such as Sanu to walk. The Bengals know they can ink Vinny Rey to a contract extension without busting the bank and still have plenty of cash to ink both Jones and Iloka or at least one of them. If the Bengals do end up signing Jones, they should still add two receivers in this draft considering this drafts mid-round depth. This would allow the Bengals to solidify the defense by going with DT Vernon Butler in round one and then selecting WR Will Fuller in round two and Cody Listenbee in round four. A receiving corp of A.J. Green, Marvin Jones, Mario Alford, James Wright, William Fuller and Cody LIstenbee would be a nightmare for opposing defenses. Throw in TEs Tyler Eifert, Tyler Kroft C.J. Uzomah and RBs Giovani Bernard and Rex Burkhead, you have the makings of a passing game that would be virtually unstoppable. And all it will take is one signing and two draft picks. I just hope the Bengals don't screw this off-season up.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 22, 2016 17:12:44 GMT -5
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 23, 2016 16:14:56 GMT -5
That would be a great signing IF the Bengals are sure that Jeffery will be able to produce in their system as well as he has in the Bears system. A sit down interview with Jeffery would also be wise in order to determine if he's dedicated to winning it all or just a flash in the pan looking for a big payday.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 23, 2016 17:04:45 GMT -5
That would be a great signing IF the Bengals are sure that Jeffery will be able to produce in their system as well as he has in the Bears system. A sit down interview with Jeffery would also be wise in order to determine if he's dedicated to winning it all or just a flash in the pan looking for a big payday. I think his numbers go up here simply because he'd be with a better team and has a better QB throwing to him. I think he would be that continuous,proverbial nightmare. Marvin Jones would disappear too often for my tastes and for no real reason. I just think Jeffery,in a Bengals uniform would be the better receiver. I don't have any concrete,objective evidence, just a hunch he would blow up even more here.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 23, 2016 19:19:46 GMT -5
That would be a great signing IF the Bengals are sure that Jeffery will be able to produce in their system as well as he has in the Bears system. A sit down interview with Jeffery would also be wise in order to determine if he's dedicated to winning it all or just a flash in the pan looking for a big payday. I think his numbers go up here simply because he'd be with a better team and has a better QB throwing to him. I think he would be that continuous,proverbial nightmare. Marvin Jones would disappear too often for my tastes and for no real reason. I just think Jeffery,in a Bengals uniform would be the better receiver. I don't have any concrete,objective evidence, just a hunch he would blow up even more here. I too could see Jeffery becoming a better player with the Bengals than with the Bears. The Bengals have far more weapons on offense than the Bears thus Jeffery would see more one on ones. If the Bengals don't sign some of their more prominent free agents, they have got to sign a couple of good free agents from other teams. It would be hard for the Bengals to make a serious Super Bowl run relying solely on draft picks.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 24, 2016 9:25:03 GMT -5
Jeffery I doubt comes here. He would want same kind of money Jones would. If they don't give it to Jones they won't give it to him. I think they use their money trying to keep defense together. If that falls thru then they will try to keep Jones. I think they only keep one big money FA. They still have LBs to get signed adam jones etc.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 24, 2016 19:23:39 GMT -5
Jeffery I doubt comes here. He would want same kind of money Jones would. If they don't give it to Jones they won't give it to him. I think they use their money trying to keep defense together. If that falls thru then they will try to keep Jones. I think they only keep one big money FA. They still have LBs to get signed adam jones etc. Jeffery is the highest rated free agent WR (if he actually becomes a free agent) thus his asking price will be higher than Jones but it may be worth paying. Basically, the Bengals may be better on offense by having Jeffery on the field coupled with Mario Alford than they are with Jones and Sanu. It would also be much cheaper to sign Jeffery than to sign both Jones and Sanu. Like you lost, I doubt this happens because the Bengals rarely think outside the box on such matters and they prefer to only shell out big bucks to their own players. It's also important to note that the Bengals are in much better shape cap wise/financially than almost every team in the league, so they have no excuse for not signing some quality free agents this off season. And if anyone thinks the Bengals have a master plan that will produce a Super Bowl victory that requires them to spend as little as possible, you're kidding yourself. Ownership has found a way to put a competitive team on the field at a bargain basement price so they can continue to pocket as much cash as possible. Teams that have far less to spend then the Bengals, sign quality free agents on a consistent basis and win such as the Denver Broncos, New England Partiots, Seattle Seahawks, etc. It's time for the Brown family to step up and pay out some cash to get this team over the hump. No excuses. PS - I now have WR Will Fuller rated above WR Josh Doctson. Corey Coleman is in the mix but I'm not for sure he'll be as productive in the pros as he was in college. Then there's Braxton Miller. If Miller learns the nuances of playing WR, he could also become a big time player. Tough group to position.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 24, 2016 20:03:13 GMT -5
Jeffery I doubt comes here. He would want same kind of money Jones would. If they don't give it to Jones they won't give it to him. I think they use their money trying to keep defense together. If that falls thru then they will try to keep Jones. I think they only keep one big money FA. They still have LBs to get signed adam jones etc. Jeffery is the highest rated free agent WR (if he actually becomes a free agent) thus his asking price will be higher than Jones but it may be worth paying. Basically, the Bengals may be better on offense by having Jeffery on the field coupled with Mario Alford than they are with Jones and Sanu. It would also be much cheaper to sign Jeffery than to sign both Jones and Sanu. Like you lost, I doubt this happens because the Bengals rarely think outside the box on such matters and they prefer to only shell out big bucks to their own players. It's also important to note that the Bengals are in much better shape cap wise/financially than almost every team in the league, so they have no excuse for not signing some quality free agents this off season. And if anyone thinks the Bengals have a master plan that will produce a Super Bowl victory that requires them to spend as little as possible, you're kidding yourself. Ownership has found a way to put a competitive team on the field at a bargain basement price so they can continue to pocket as much cash as possible. Teams that have far less to spend then the Bengals, sign quality free agents on a consistent basis and win such as the Denver Broncos, New England Partiots, Seattle Seahawks, etc. It's time for the Brown family to step up and pay out some cash to get this team over the hump. No excuses. PS - I now have WR Will Fuller rated above WR Josh Doctson. Corey Coleman is in the mix but I'm not for sure he'll be as productive in the pros as he was in college. Then there's Braxton Miller. If Miller learns the nuances of playing WR, he could also become a big time player. Tough group to position. Sadly I agree. They don't have the intellectual mindset to be smart and go for it at the same time. They sorely lack imagination when it counts most. They are living the Miser's Dream!
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Post by lostwou on Feb 25, 2016 7:23:51 GMT -5
I don't think they should go after him regardless. He has had injury issues. I'd stay away from him.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 25, 2016 16:28:34 GMT -5
I don't think they should go after him regardless. He has had injury issues. I'd stay away from him. Jeffery has been plagued throughout the years with various injuries. However, there's another free agent WR that has never been injured since being drafted in 2012 in Reuben Randle of the Giants. Randle has steadily improved each year minus last season where his catches dropped from a career high of 71 in 2014, down to 57 in 2015. If the Bengals could add him to the roster, it would go a long way in strengthening the WR position.
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