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Post by lostwou on Jan 31, 2016 10:51:27 GMT -5
Just read that Patriots are interested in Marvin Jones. If he goes there you can pretty much bet they will be more pressed to draft a receiver in rd 1. You know they wont replace him in FA cause they will want that comp pick.
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Post by 77bengal on Jan 31, 2016 16:05:24 GMT -5
Just read that Patriots are interested in Marvin Jones. If he goes there you can pretty much bet they will be more pressed to draft a receiver in rd 1. You know they wont replace him in FA cause they will want that comp pick. Getting a comp pick next year is great, but they really need to sign Jones to ensure stability even if they have to slightly overpay. But the main reason that will prevent them from signing Jones isn't their desire to get a comp pick, it's Mike Browns reluctance to shell out enough dough to keep Jones a Bengal. Drafting a WR in round one when there are other positions in need of an upgrade isn't the best path. There are a lot of good speedy receivers that will be available in round two and later so drafting one in round one is kinda a waste of a pick. Safety, defensive tackle and corner are the positions the Bengals need to focus on in round one in my opinion. |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 1, 2016 7:39:52 GMT -5
I agree that's how it looks for now. Its a wait and see what they do in FA. Who they sign of there own. If they lose Adam Jones you can count on a CB in rd 1. I agree they need a DT but I have yet to see them draft one in rd 1. Also comes down to signing our 2 safeties. If they do they may wait till the 3rd for safety. We have been more desperate for safety than we are now and they didn't draft one. Its really hard to know what they will do. FA will give us a better picture. WE could use a DE also. And a LB.
AS far as Marvin Jones goes, it may not be about money if he feels he has a chance at a superbowl with the Pats.
But we have what 4 WRs hitting FA? Jones would be the only one worth keeping so they really need to draft at least 2 WRs. I think from history, they are more apt to pick up defense in FA. Its a cheaper route to go as apposed to a WR that's worth crap. I think they will do their best to keep the DBs.
I feel if they keep most of the D together, pick up 2 guys in FA, A big threat WR opposite Green could be the piece that puts them over the top. WE have the defense. Keep it together. Marvin Jones is ok but there are guys in the draft that would be a big upgrade.
Like I said we have the defense keep it together, Pick up A DT maybe a DE or LB, draft a wide out and a slot burner. Our offense would be crazy. Put a guy like Will Fuller on the outside and maybe Pharao Cooper in the slot with Eifert. Good luck stopping our offense.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 1, 2016 15:17:29 GMT -5
I haven't heard a single mention of the O-line. For me if that isn't addressed I will pretty much be expecting mediocrity next season because it was that fuckin glaringly bad. We need to resign our own guys but we need to go FA and draft for O-line. They stink and that is our biggest problem. We could barely do anything offensively at season's end and that is a shame because position player talent is there. I'm just wondering why the sudden amnesia? This won't fix itself and the team somehow seems to think it will.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 1, 2016 18:17:45 GMT -5
Rod we drafted 2 OTs who will start next season. I'm certainly hoping they address Center. 77 and I are just batting around ideas not like our opinion matters. But I don't panic anymore because they always seem to find a way to fill needs so I'm pretty relaxed after the last few off seasons. It always seems to work out. Don't panic bro they will come back even stronger next year.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 1, 2016 22:33:21 GMT -5
I agree that's how it looks for now. Its a wait and see what they do in FA. Who they sign of there own. If they lose Adam Jones you can count on a CB in rd 1. I agree they need a DT but I have yet to see them draft one in rd 1. Also comes down to signing our 2 safeties. If they do they may wait till the 3rd for safety. We have been more desperate for safety than we are now and they didn't draft one. Its really hard to know what they will do. FA will give us a better picture. WE could use a DE also. And a LB. AS far as Marvin Jones goes, it may not be about money if he feels he has a chance at a superbowl with the Pats. But we have what 4 WRs hitting FA? Jones would be the only one worth keeping so they really need to draft at least 2 WRs. I think from history, they are more apt to pick up defense in FA. Its a cheaper route to go as apposed to a WR that's worth crap. I think they will do their best to keep the DBs. I feel if they keep most of the D together, pick up 2 guys in FA, A big threat WR opposite Green could be the piece that puts them over the top. WE have the defense. Keep it together. Marvin Jones is ok but there are guys in the draft that would be a big upgrade. Like I said we have the defense keep it together, Pick up A DT maybe a DE or LB, draft a wide out and a slot burner. Our offense would be crazy. Put a guy like Will Fuller on the outside and maybe Pharao Cooper in the slot with Eifert. Good luck stopping our offense. Overall, this is a weak WR and LB class and the Bengals may be better off signing a FA to both positions. However, this is a strong class at DT, S, CB and DE and the Bengals need an upgrade at all of these positions. If the Bengals play their cards right, they could put together the best team in the league and breeze through next season much like the Panthers did this year. And they have the money/cap space to get it done. |
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Post by claycc on Feb 1, 2016 22:59:29 GMT -5
Don't participate on this side of the board much (and didn't on the previous board either), but I've been reading along since Rod put this up.
I'm going to show my bias here for the local boy... Trevon Pendleton, FB, Michigan State (from Lucasville, Ohio).
What's the chances that the Bengals could go the blocking fullback route in the draft? Pendleton's teammates at Michigan St thought of him as a 'portable lineman' because he did such a great job of laying down key blocks where they needed it. He rarely got to touch the ball for the Spartans, but when he did, it was usually a huge play (TD vs Stanford in the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago and a diving TD reception against the Buckeyes this past season). He walked on at MSU as a fullback with a chance to move up to a scholarship, even after he suffered a broken leg as a senior in HS. He got scholarship offers from other schools, but only if he would play linebacker.
Think he might get a look if the better linemen are off the board?
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 2, 2016 0:46:23 GMT -5
Rod we drafted 2 OTs who will start next season. I'm certainly hoping they address Center. 77 and I are just batting around ideas not like our opinion matters. But I don't panic anymore because they always seem to find a way to fill needs so I'm pretty relaxed after the last few off seasons. It always seems to work out. Don't panic bro they will come back even stronger next year. Your opinions matter I was just throwing it out there that we had a hard time moving the ball in any form or fashion at the end of last season. And since a long long time ago when Braham left I thought we've been mediocre at best but have gotten more air time simply because of size not athleticism. Fix that and I think sky is the limit. Everybody including me wants the dynamic offense but I want a stingy offense that hogs the ball and peripherally puts pressure on the opponent simply by winning the time of possession war. We have offense good let's add to it offense smart. We have the players to do it everywhere but that putrid line. |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 2, 2016 6:36:28 GMT -5
77 I disagree with your philosophy. When you have a deep class at certain positions, you can wait till the 3r and 4th rds to draft that position. If you have a need on a position thats short and a player falls to you, you grab him. You are talking about picking up WRs in FA. One of the most expensive positions. If you want a good one. We can't just look for bodies at WR. And you can get really good ones in the draft and not take a big hit on the cap.
You have to draft the more expensive positions and look to FA for a couple Linemen maybe a center. We need someone to take the heat off GReen. A guy like that in FA would cost big bucks. We are already paying Green big bucks. Just because we have money to spend doesn't mean you should throw it away unwisely. The reason they have money is because they have been spending wisely. They put a great team together and still under the cap. They use the draft for positions such as OT, WR, RB CB. And because of the new rookie pay scale, this is the smart way to draft.
Look where we drafted Burfict and Atkins. When they bring in players for visits, they only bring in a handful of 1st rd prospects. Everyone knows who the top prospects are. The Bengals bring in more mid rd players guys who get over shadowed by all the hype. This is why they love their comp picks.
Hopefully they keep our DBs. Sign Jones, don't forget the could franchise tag someone if need be. Can't see them tagging M Jones hes not worth big WR money too big of cap hit. Replace him in the draft. They have the money to keep our D together. We can speculate all we want. But the bottom line is this. They have 30 mill to spend. So theres no reason to panic at all the guys we have who will be FAs because they have the money to keep who they want and pick up a couple more. Going to be an interesting off season.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 2, 2016 7:00:08 GMT -5
I'd have to take a look at Alshon Jefferey(WR-Chi). It's about timing with free agency. If you are rebuilding your team you don't have much need for it. But we are close to being a great team so I would give it a look right now. We can't dismiss it forever just because we fucked it all up on a WR last time by sending him to an in house quack doctor!
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 2, 2016 7:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 2, 2016 16:42:20 GMT -5
77 I disagree with your philosophy. When you have a deep class at certain positions, you can wait till the 3r and 4th rds to draft that position. If you have a need on a position thats short and a player falls to you, you grab him. You are talking about picking up WRs in FA. One of the most expensive positions. If you want a good one. We can't just look for bodies at WR. And you can get really good ones in the draft and not take a big hit on the cap. You have to draft the more expensive positions and look to FA for a couple Linemen maybe a center. We need someone to take the heat off GReen. A guy like that in FA would cost big bucks. We are already paying Green big bucks. Just because we have money to spend doesn't mean you should throw it away unwisely. The reason they have money is because they have been spending wisely. They put a great team together and still under the cap. They use the draft for positions such as OT, WR, RB CB. And because of the new rookie pay scale, this is the smart way to draft. Look where we drafted Burfict and Atkins. When they bring in players for visits, they only bring in a handful of 1st rd prospects. Everyone knows who the top prospects are. The Bengals bring in more mid rd players guys who get over shadowed by all the hype. This is why they love their comp picks. Hopefully they keep our DBs. Sign Jones, don't forget the could franchise tag someone if need be. Can't see them tagging M Jones hes not worth big WR money too big of cap hit. Replace him in the draft. They have the money to keep our D together. We can speculate all we want. But the bottom line is this. They have 30 mill to spend. So theres no reason to panic at all the guys we have who will be FAs because they have the money to keep who they want and pick up a couple more. Going to be an interesting off season. Sometimes waiting is a good idea and sometimes it's not. When a certain position is loaded with talent and you get one of the best at that position, you have a much better chance of getting a higher caliber player that can come in and contribute immediately with A.J. Green being a good example. And when positions are weak, players at that position tend to be overrated and drafted sooner than they should be. Keith Rivers is a good example. You are talking about picking up WRs in FA. One of the most expensive positions. If you want a good one. We can't just look for bodies at WR. And you can get really good ones in the draft and not take a big hit on the cap.
You have to draft the more expensive positions and look to FA for a couple Linemen maybe a center. We need someone to take the heat off GReen. A guy like that in FA would cost big bucks. We are already paying Green big bucks. Just because we have money to spend doesn't mean you should throw it away unwisely. The reason they have money is because they have been spending wisely. They put a great team together and still under the cap. They use the draft for positions such as OT, WR, RB CB. And because of the new rookie pay scale, this is the smart way to draft. I really don't know where to start with this one so I'll try to summarize as best I can. Teams with far less cap room than the Bengals have signed expensive free agents for years and many of them have helped their teams win a lot of games. The Patriots signed our own Corey Dillon and won a Super Bowl with him. They also went out and signed Randy Moss which also worked out great. The Seahawks went out and signed Marshawn Lynch and Percy Harvin and they won the Super Bowl. In the past few years, the Broncos have brought in Peyton Manning, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Emmanuel Sanders, DeMarcus Ware and a whole host of other expensive free agents and they're headed to the Super Bowl. Another words, there comes a time when adding a pricey free agent or two makes sense and that time has come for the Bengals. And when it comes to drafting, all positions, not only skill positions, should be upgraded on a regular basis. However, I do agree that bringing in a lot of pricey free agents in a short period of time rarely pays off. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder tried doing this for years and it always blew up in his face. Building a team through the draft is still the best way to go but like I stated earlier, adding a talented player or two through free agency when a team is really close to winning it all is the wisest of moves. stripehype.com/2016/01/19/cincinnati-bengals-top-five-outside-free-agents-target/5/ |
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 2, 2016 16:54:26 GMT -5
I'd have to take a look at Alshon Jefferey(WR-Chi). It's about timing with free agency. If you are rebuilding your team you don't have much need for it. But we are close to being a great team so I would give it a look right now. We can't dismiss it forever just because we fucked it all up on a WR last time by sending him to an in house quack doctor! Right on target. The Bengals aren't rebuilding. If they were, it would be foolish to sign pricey free agents. The Bengals are close to making a serious run at winning the Super Bowl and they have enough cap space to make it happen and/or get over the proverbial 'hump'. Alshon Jeffery should definitely be considered and signing him wouldn't break the bank. Lining him up opposite A.J. Green could go a long way in getting this team closer. The link below lists several free agents that could help the Bengals immediately. www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000602379/article/top-20-unrestricted-free-agents-for-2016 |
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 3, 2016 15:03:22 GMT -5
77 I disagree with your philosophy. When you have a deep class at certain positions, you can wait till the 3r and 4th rds to draft that position. If you have a need on a position thats short and a player falls to you, you grab him. You are talking about picking up WRs in FA. One of the most expensive positions. If you want a good one. We can't just look for bodies at WR. And you can get really good ones in the draft and not take a big hit on the cap. You have to draft the more expensive positions and look to FA for a couple Linemen maybe a center. We need someone to take the heat off GReen. A guy like that in FA would cost big bucks. We are already paying Green big bucks. Just because we have money to spend doesn't mean you should throw it away unwisely. The reason they have money is because they have been spending wisely. They put a great team together and still under the cap. They use the draft for positions such as OT, WR, RB CB. And because of the new rookie pay scale, this is the smart way to draft. Look where we drafted Burfict and Atkins. When they bring in players for visits, they only bring in a handful of 1st rd prospects. Everyone knows who the top prospects are. The Bengals bring in more mid rd players guys who get over shadowed by all the hype. This is why they love their comp picks. Hopefully they keep our DBs. Sign Jones, don't forget the could franchise tag someone if need be. Can't see them tagging M Jones hes not worth big WR money too big of cap hit. Replace him in the draft. They have the money to keep our D together. We can speculate all we want. But the bottom line is this. They have 30 mill to spend. So theres no reason to panic at all the guys we have who will be FAs because they have the money to keep who they want and pick up a couple more. Going to be an interesting off season. Please allow me to clarify. I agree with your 'philosophy' and I still like what you call my 'philosophy'. Another words, both 'philosophies' make sense and both should be used when drafting, but to pick one solely over the other wouldn't be wise because both can and should be used to build a great team. For example, I really like DT Andrew Billings out of Baylor and I also like safety Su'a Cravens out of USC as first round possibilities. If the Bengals go with Cravens in round one, there's a good chance that all the good DTs will be off the board. If they go with Billings in round one, there's a good chance they can still land one of the top safeties in this draft which exemplifies your philosophy and one I agree with more times than not. But what if the Bengals are convinced that Cravens is the better player and he will have a much greater impact on the team than Billings? Should the Bengals spread themselves thin by taking Billings in round one and picking up S Karl Joseph in round two or should they go with Cravens in round one, skip drafting a DT in round two, and draft WR Josh Doctson in round two instead? Many scenarios await but I really believe either path would go a long way in improving the team. Thoughts? |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 4, 2016 6:36:18 GMT -5
Too early to say. What if they sign Nick Fairly? Or Eric Berry? FA still looms. Unlike your thoughts though, I think the draft is deeper in DTs than safeties. Teams also tend to grab DEs before DTs.
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