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Post by 77bengal on Feb 4, 2016 15:50:04 GMT -5
Too early to say. What if they sign Nick Fairly? Or Eric Berry? FA still looms. Unlike your thoughts though, I think the draft is deeper in DTs than safeties. Teams also tend to grab DEs before DTs. I think the number of good safeties and defensive tackles in this draft are about the same, but I see the safeties falling further down in this draft as compared to the defensive tackles. Nick Fairly is a possibility and if he were to sign with the Bengals, it would make this draft a whole lot easier. The Bengals could then concentrate on drafting WRs and a C for the offense and play-makers for the defense which would include one of the drafts better safeties (Cravens, Thompson, Joseph, Cash, Killibrew), DEs and CBs.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 5, 2016 7:00:42 GMT -5
Its too early for anything but sure is fun banging out ideas. Players will move up and down the draft board after the combine. Funny how a player gets shot up the board not because of his play but because hes an athlete. Taking a guy with potential is a big gamble. They have the potential to be great but also a bust. I'm a firm believer in go with what you know. You can take those risks later rounds but those first 2 picks need to be right to keep a team moving. AT least we agree on needing to draft 2 WRs.
Still think they need to focus on signing our DBs. They could use the franchise tag too if need be. Picking at 24 I'm fairly certain it will be a CB or WR. But I do like your idea 77 of a safety like Craves. But I just don't see them drafting a safety in the 1st. They never have. I don't see any LB value at 24 either. Like I said I don't worry any more. They seem to be making right moves. You have players that will be released after the draft as well. Should be interesting.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 5, 2016 13:16:40 GMT -5
Its too early for anything but sure is fun banging out ideas. Players will move up and down the draft board after the combine. Funny how a player gets shot up the board not because of his play but because hes an athlete. Taking a guy with potential is a big gamble. They have the potential to be great but also a bust. I'm a firm believer in go with what you know. You can take those risks later rounds but those first 2 picks need to be right to keep a team moving. AT least we agree on needing to draft 2 WRs. Still think they need to focus on signing our DBs. They could use the franchise tag too if need be. Picking at 24 I'm fairly certain it will be a CB or WR. But I do like your idea 77 of a safety like Craves. But I just don't see them drafting a safety in the 1st. They never have. I don't see any LB value at 24 either. Like I said I don't worry any more. They seem to be making right moves. You have players that will be released after the draft as well. Should be interesting. That's what it's all about Lost. That's the fun part. Like I said my attention is too spread out to know college players but the draft,FA,and the offseason up to that point is a fun time of year,at least if you think your team is going to be right in the hunt from the get-go. I didn't feel this way at all last spring but seeing Dalton take a significant step forward has my attitude turned around.It is such a big deal to have faith in your QB. I'm anxious to see what the gameplan is and how it unfolds!
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 5, 2016 16:33:40 GMT -5
Its too early for anything but sure is fun banging out ideas. Players will move up and down the draft board after the combine. Funny how a player gets shot up the board not because of his play but because hes an athlete. Taking a guy with potential is a big gamble. They have the potential to be great but also a bust. I'm a firm believer in go with what you know. You can take those risks later rounds but those first 2 picks need to be right to keep a team moving. AT least we agree on needing to draft 2 WRs. Still think they need to focus on signing our DBs. They could use the franchise tag too if need be. Picking at 24 I'm fairly certain it will be a CB or WR. But I do like your idea 77 of a safety like Craves. But I just don't see them drafting a safety in the 1st. They never have. I don't see any LB value at 24 either. Like I said I don't worry any more. They seem to be making right moves. You have players that will be released after the draft as well. Should be interesting. It's never too early lost. And if you're referring to WR Braxton Miller as being the risky 'athlete' that they may consider in round one, I agree with you. I watched Miller throughout his collegiate career and he is a big play waiting to happen and sooner or later it will happen. But the idea of drafting him in round one when there will be better players on the board is not wise at all. Round two? Sure. Miller has enough ability and potential to warrant a round two selection but that's as high as I would draft him. However, the Bengals (and other teams) may know something we don't. And if he performs like I think he will at the combine, he may be viewed by most clubs as being a legit WR. Also, the Buckeyes offense really struggled this year because of erratic play calling. The OSU offensive coordinator from 2014 left to take a head coaching job and his replacement was very inconsistent. Another words, Miller would've undoubtedly had a better season if he wouldn't have been hindered by poor coaching/play calling.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 8, 2016 13:46:02 GMT -5
OK 77 just read Marvin Jones wants 7 Mill a year. Sorry but, Jones is ok, but I think hes over rated and hasn't played anywhere the level for that kind of money. I say let him go and grab one in the draft. Well they will need to draft 2.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 8, 2016 15:19:39 GMT -5
OK 77 just read Marvin Jones wants 7 Mill a year. Sorry but, Jones is ok, but I think hes over rated and hasn't played anywhere the level for that kind of money. I say let him go and grab one in the draft. Well they will need to draft 2. Marvin Jones knows his chances of getting $7 million a year are slim to none. Jones is simply trying to get as much money as possible. From all indications, Jones wants to remain a Bengal. He lives right across the river in Kentucky with his wife and children. He has stated that they like where they live and he's hinted that he doesn't want to move preferring instead to stay put. Personally, I see Jones statements as nothing more than an attempt to get the biggest from the Bengals as possible. Drafting a couple of WRs high in the draft is a good idea if Jones isn't resigned. The Bengals could go with Corey Coleman in round one and then add another in round three or four. Or they could go with a WR in rounds two and three where they'll have an opportunity to draft Sterling Shepard, Rashard Higgins, Lavonte Caroo, Pharoh Cooper, etc., etc.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 9, 2016 5:47:51 GMT -5
Well he said he wasn't giving the Bengals the hometown discount. And he is going to test FA. Its highly unlikely he stays here. He will be highly sought. He is one of a few players hat can be upgraded in the draft for less money. If they pick up one or two players in FA they should be fine.
I think Leon Hall will be gone. Might see another CB drafted round 1. But your right. If Jones goes they will have to take a WR in one of the 1st two rounds and again in the 3rd or 4th. They could go after a DT and or safety in FA. Its a shame we can't get top notch talent at every position but its unrealistic. The draft is deep in DTs. There are some really good WRs in the draft but none really worth top 15. They could have their choice. I think Treadwell or Thomas will still be on the board as well as Fuller and Coleman. I think you have to take a wideout 1st theres a slew of slot guys. And my favorite target would be Cooper.
Coleman like you said could be a product of a high pass offense. On the other hand Cooper could of had better numbers with a better QB. Plus he is built tough and can take hits over the middle and isn't afraid too. Cooper Might still be available Rd 3.
I would love to see them stack up on defense but we need a center and 2 WRs. But guys always fall in the draft and they are good at finding talent on defense later. Wish the draft were closer. Waiting for FA and draft is hard when no football being played.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 9, 2016 11:14:19 GMT -5
77 you know, the more I think bout it, if Cravens is still on the board, I hope they grab him. He would make our defense so much more physical and tough. They can get a WR rd 2. DT in FA. If we don't get him Steelers might, this is the kind of player you want on your team not face him twice a year.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 9, 2016 12:14:09 GMT -5
77 you know, the more I think bout it, if Cravens is still on the board, I hope they grab him. He would make our defense so much more physical and tough. They can get a WR rd 2. DT in FA. If we don't get him Steelers might, this is the kind of player you want on your team not face him twice a year. Considering how deep the Bengals are across the board at every position, I think it's time for them to focus more on drafting play-makers than just good players to fill holes and Su'a Cravens fits the bill. As you know, I'm really high on Cravens but his draft stock seems to have fallen. One draft site recently had him falling all the way to the Bengals in round two! Other sites have him listed as a mid-round two talent which is rather puzzling to me. Cravens can do it at all three levels on defense. He's a good edge rusher, plays the run well and makes plays defending the pass but this may be his downfall. Instead of being great at any one position such as linebacker or safety, he might be viewed more as a 'jack-of-all-trades' player than a standout at any particular one. Keep in mind that Cravens coverage skills are suspect which may be causing his slide. One the other hand, there are a few safeties that are excellent vs. the pass including my favorite player in this draft, safety Karl Joseph of WVU. Joseph has the speed and talent to become the best safety in this draft. Joseph has the best coverage skills of all safeties in this draft and has the interceptions and defensed passes to prove it. His bone jarring hits often cause ball carriers to fumble which is another great trait. Darrian Thompson of Boise State is another great pass defender having picked off 19 passes during his collegiate career. Personally, I'm leaning more for a defensive tackle in round one, a play-making safety in round two and a wide receiver in rounds three and four. However, I'll probably change my mind within the hour. There are so many good players at several positions that could really help the team, I don't know what direction they should go. Free agency and the combine should make things clearer. I think it's important to note that the Bengals run a 4-3 defense and two of those positions up front need upgraded ASAP. Carlos Dunlap and Geno Atkins are pro-bowlers, but Domata Peko and Michael Johnson aren't that effective anymore. Replacing these two players with Dunlap/Atkins type players would lift the entire defense. Draft a play-making safety and this defense could be something special. However, if Marcus Hardison is ready to step in and upgrade the inside and Paul Dawson is ready to do the same at linebacker, one could make the case that the Bengals should go with a defensive end in round one and a safety in round two. Then again, Hardison did at times play at defensive end while at Arizona so maybe he could replace Johnson and the Bengals go with a defensive tackle in round one and a safety in round two. Many, many scenarios to consider.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 9, 2016 12:34:32 GMT -5
I think the reason he is high on some boards not others is because most boards have him listed as a LB. He would better fit safety in NFL because of his size. This is the issue with a lot of LBs this year. They are small. Most being under 240lbs and some under 230lbs. So if you slot him in as a LB his probably 6th or 7th. But he is the 2nd best safety. That being said, its hard to figure where he will fall. But I would love to have this guy. AS far as DT you can get a great starter in rd 2 or 3 as well. But I think they get one in FA. They almost have to. They can't get 2 WR in FA, safeties are few as well as LBs. Thing about Cravens is his versatility. He can play LB or safety. Bengals love players like that. He could be there in rd 2 who knows. After the top safety in any draft usually you don't see another drafted till rd 2. Everyones big boards are different. Lets hope they make some sort of moves in FA to fill some spots and lets get our own signed.
Actually Scout.com has Cravens ranked 12th best overall. So hes rated all over. But to have a guy like that he's like a small Burfict playing safety. Then again, what if Jalen Ramsey or Myles Jack fall due to injury? Could happen.
Cravens has been compared to Troy Polamalo not as good but close. Kiper compares him to Kam Chancellor of the seahawks. That's some pretty good comparisons. Because he's a hybrid LB/S no one is quite sure where to rank him.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 9, 2016 19:20:34 GMT -5
When I initially watched Cravens play, I came away thinking this is the best defensive player in the entire draft including Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, etc. If he runs well at the combine, I can't imagine him falling out of the first round.
If the Bengals draft one of the top safeties (Cravens, Joseph, Thompson, Cash) I'll be one pleased Bengal fan.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 10, 2016 12:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 11, 2016 1:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 11, 2016 12:02:00 GMT -5
OK 77 just read Marvin Jones wants 7 Mill a year. Sorry but, Jones is ok, but I think hes over rated and hasn't played anywhere the level for that kind of money. I say let him go and grab one in the draft. Well they will need to draft 2. It appears that Marvin Jones never said that he wants $7 million a year as the link below to Cincy Jungle indicates. www.cincyjungle.com/2016/2/10/10963926/marvin-jones-denies-claims-he-is-seeking-7-million-per-yearAlso, Jones is being accused as saying he won't give the Bengals a hometown discount which isn't accurate. I saw the interview in which Jones supposedly made this statement but what really happened was that the interviewer asked Jones if he would give the Bengals a hometown discount and he said no. What does one expect Jones to say? "Heck yeah I'll give the Bengals a hometown discount", would be foolish of Jones as he's entering free agency. Even if the Bengals re-sign Jones, it would still remain a good idea to draft two WRs in the upcoming draft. There are several speedsters that were very productive in college and look like they'll have successful NFL careers.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 12, 2016 8:24:36 GMT -5
He wont be back. He's considered #1 FA WR. Plus they are going to focus 1st in signing defense. They have Adam Jones, both safeties, 2 DTs and 2 LBs. They will go after their defense first. They wont pay a lot to keep M Jones.
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