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Post by 77bengal on Feb 12, 2016 15:24:13 GMT -5
He wont be back. He's considered #1 FA WR. Plus they are going to focus 1st in signing defense. They have Adam Jones, both safeties, 2 DTs and 2 LBs. They will go after their defense first. They wont pay a lot to keep M Jones. You don't know. It's possible Jones returns. We're all guessing at this point. I'd say there's about a 50/50 chance he stays/leaves. But what I know for sure is this: The Bengals have no good reason not to re-sign him. The only thing that should keep them from inking him to a new deal is if his asking price is way out of bounds considering his production/talent. The Bengals are over $30 million under the salary cap which means they are better off 'cap wise' than two-thirds of the other teams. And this isn't even taking into account the amount of money the team will save if and when they waive some expensive veterans (Domata Peko, Leon Hall) or restructure their contracts. The Bengals could end up being anywhere from $35 - $40 million under the salary cap if these moves are made and it's high-time they spend some of this money now to give themselves a better shot this year and next. The Bengals are close to winning it all, but it's gonna take a couple of good free agent signings and a good draft that brings in starters/contributors to get there. Also, it's important to note that it wouldn't be wise of the Bengals to use up (spend) all of their cap space and throw money around unwisely on a bunch of mediocre free agents. This type of strategy rarely works (Daniel Snyder, Washington Redskins being a good example) and I don't want my above comments to suggest otherwise. In my opinion, the Bengals can sign all of their own top-tier free agents; one or two other free agents from other teams; waive or restructure the contracts of pricey veterans; and sign all of their draftees and still be under the cap by $15 - $20 million. The only thing standing in the road of getting this done is Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn and the remaining members of ownership. If they're willing to make slightly less this year than they did last year, the Bengals can field not only a better team than last years team, but maybe the best team in Bengals history. |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 15, 2016 9:51:44 GMT -5
With FA looming and so many players set to hit the market I thought I would list the FAs and who I think they should/will sign and who they let go.
Marvin Jones- The big one everyones talking about. I think the Bengals would like to keep him but he is the top WR FA and most likely the Bengals won't match the high offer. Between the Pats, Cowboys, Vikings and Browns Jones goes bye bye. The Bengals must draft WR anyway so they get an upgrade for less.
Adam Jones- He is older but he was the best CB on the team. He wants to stay and I think the Bengals re-sign him for reasonable money. No brainer here.
Leon Hall- Bye bye. Injury has slowed down his play. With the depth we have now with signing Jones and Josh Shaw has shown he can more than be a starter Hall is expendable.
George Iloka- The Bengals tried to extend him but so far no go. They still might make it work and the Bengals will try to keep one of the two Safeties. If Iloka isn't signed before FA hes gone.
Reggie Nelson- He should be an easy choice and not too expensive. Unless they shell out the money for Iloka he stays. Shawn Williams has proved he can start. So signing one of the two will happen.
Vincent Rey- Another no brainer. They sign him.
Andre Smith- Goodbye. Needs no explaintion Emanual Lamur- 50/50, I think with injuries and average play let him go.
Sanu- If they lose M Jones Sanu stays. He's a good back up and can be a threat thowing the ball.
Pat Sims- Good rotation player re-signs
Eric Winston- Thanks for your help but services no longer needed
T.J Johnson- Uh yeah. Will come cheap and one word Bodine
Brandon Tate- Good return player for right money re-signs
Brandon Thompson- Bye
Wallace Gillberry- Played well hen in there signs for decent money
That's my thoughts on team signings. They actually have around 36.5 mill cap space. about 6-7 mill going to rookie signings.
I think we see them for the 1st time possibly go for a top FA. DT. Also possibly a Center. Nick Fairly may be in stripes finally. Theres a few good centers as well. Not signing Jones to a big contract leaves space for defense. No reason why we can't go after a top D player any position outside of CB. |
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 15, 2016 16:27:06 GMT -5
Good post. I agree with most of it so I'll list a few differing options. I would rather see Brandon Thompson re-signed than Wallace Gilberry. Thompson isn't great, but he's younger than Gilberry and has more upside. Gilberry is older and his play has been in decline for two years registering only two or three sacks over that period. He just isn't as effective as he once was and there's no turning back the hands of time. It's possible the Bengals could lose both Ss and both WRs. If that happens, there's little doubt what positions the Bengals will focus on come draft day. And if Brandon Tate is on the teams opening day roster, I think I'll lose my mind. There are just too many speedy WRs in this draft and a few in free agency that could easily improve upon his production. The Bengals need to be weary of signing DT Nick Fairley. Fairley is playing for his second team and may be playing for his third team next year and there's a reason for that. Fairley hasn't lived up to expectations and he's immature and not always focused. I'm not saying the Bengals shouldn't sign him, but they should definitely do their homework. Check out the video below of prima-donna Fairley. If the Bengals sign him, I sure hope he's grown up since this video was recorded. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGGQxJ4SnXw |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 16, 2016 5:11:58 GMT -5
I don't know that I agree with signing Fairly. I know they tried to get him last year they may try again. I am more for drafting one. But they have to fill some spots in FA. I don't see any WRs they could get that would be an upgrade from Jones. There are few LBs. I have to agree with the bengals though, when you pick up FAs they don't tend to play as well with another team.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 16, 2016 7:08:51 GMT -5
Any news or rumors gang? When exactly does free agency start?
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 16, 2016 7:14:56 GMT -5
I don't know that I agree with signing Fairly. I know they tried to get him last year they may try again. I am more for drafting one. But they have to fill some spots in FA. I don't see any WRs they could get that would be an upgrade from Jones. There are few LBs. I have to agree with the bengals though, when you pick up FAs they don't tend to play as well with another team. I still think on this particular team Alshon Jeffery is bigtime. He is about same age and a little bigger. Lost I'm with you on all the stays and departures. |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 16, 2016 7:55:55 GMT -5
FA starts March 9th I think
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Post by lostwou on Feb 16, 2016 8:14:18 GMT -5
If they do re-sign Iloka they won't keep M Jones. They could also use franchise tag. 77 I don't think they will pay any where near a lot of money for a FA WR. Especially if they sign Iloka. The way things sit at the moment, I really think they grab a WR 1st pick. Coleman, Braxton, Thomas, Fuller one of those guys.
Reason being, this class WR is slotted 2nd part of 1st rd to 2nd rd. I believe Only 2 or 3 WR go in rd 1. Then there will be a run on them in rd 2. I think you will see as many as 5 come off in rd 2. That will cause some defense players to slide. Scooby Wright LB would be a good choice. DT can be had in rd 3. Honestly the draft is loaded with DL.
If they take a WR rd 1. The value is good and they will just about have their choice. Teams slotted in 1st half of draft will pass on WR. Better value picks top of 2nd. But that's when you will see them fly off the board. We could get a steal defense player. Adolph Washington could slide to 3rd. Can't pick a top player every round, so value and predicting how players should fall is what gets you steals in the draft. 2nd round should get them a great LB or Safety.
The combine will be interesting. See how fast these guys are. I'm not sold on Treadwell. He doesn't have good speed. I'd rather have Thomas from Ohio State. Fuller may be the fastest WR in the class. |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 16, 2016 10:08:38 GMT -5
Any news or rumors gang? When exactly does free agency start? Not many rumors yet till after combine. Only thing I read was the Bengals are expected to re-sign Reggie Nelson. |
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 16, 2016 11:43:25 GMT -5
Drafting a WR in round one makes sense if they're not able to re-sign Marvin Jones or a free agent WR such as Travis Benjamin. However, I'm not sold on that being the correct path to take.
The Bengals run a 4-3 defense and they have a gaping hole right up front at DT. A case can also be made that RDE needs to be upgraded as well but I think giving Michael Johnson one more year to prove himself would be the better way to go for this year. This is why I'm leaning more towards the drafting of a DT in round one instead of a WR.
As we all know, it starts up front on both sides of the ball in order to achieve success whether it be offense or defense. The Bengals are kidding themselves if they think the defense can continue to play at a high level year in and year out without investing in a top notch DT and/or DE. Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap are great players but they need some help. They can't keep picking up the slack of their teammates such as the underachieving Domata Peko. Solidifying the DT position through the draft appears to be the smartest move unless the Bengals are convinced that Marcus Hardison is ready to step in and become the teams starter next to Atkins. If not, drafting one of my top three DTs in either Vernon Butler, Sheldon Rankins or Andrew Billings would be the best way to go in my opinion.
As I brought up on another thread, this draft is loaded with fast mid-round WRs that have the ability to come in and contribute this year and drafting two of them, possibly three, would really improve the passing game.
If Iloka does walk, the Bengals should definitely invest a high draft pick on a S and this draft is loaded with several really good ones.
This draft is tailor made for the Bengals. There are a lot of players in this draft at all the positions that the Bengals need to upgrade. I'm just hoping they don't screw it up.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 17, 2016 5:24:06 GMT -5
Like I said as it stands now. Lets see who they sign after FA. A lot of picks would get me excited. I just hope they shore up the defensive backfield. Then I would be thrilled to see a kickass DT or LB. I really don't see the bengals taking a safety in rd 1 just not their style. Maybe rd 2 or 3 if they don't sign Iloka and Nelson. I'd much rather see them keep Iloka than M Jones.
The thought of another kickass LB is awesome too. And it will happen because DT and LB is the strength of this draft class. Remember we got Atkins in the 5th so I wont freak out if they don't get one right off. But if Jones goes, They have to get another star receiver opposite Green.
They can get a really good DT and LB day two and 3. But like I said that's for now. Depends on FA and how players come off the board. If someone like Billings or Robinson, Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith fall? Gotta take them. I am all for more defense and more defense. WR is the only position we really need on Offense. We can argue Center but I doubt the Bengals have given up on Bodine yet.
There will be some good Centers hit FA. That's how we got Rich Brahm. Things will come more into focus soon.
If they hit FA wisely, no reason why this team shouldn't be down right scarey next season. They still might grab another CB and ML said if you want a CB you have to get them in rd 1. Obviously that's what they do. So a lot can change between now and the draft.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 17, 2016 5:50:58 GMT -5
77 I know you are fixed on a DT. So I am. But this drft is not short on them heres a list and where they rank..
Ashawn Robinson Alabama Rd1
Sheldon Rankins RD 1-2
Vernon Butler 1-2
Jarron Reed 1-2
Andrew Billings 1-2
Robert Mkemdiche 1-3
Adolphus Washington 1-3
Kenny Clark 1-3
Hassan Ridgeway 2-3
Johnathan Bullard 2-3
Sheldon Day 2-3
Austin Johnson 2-3
Maliek Collins 2-3
Willy Henry 2-4
Jihad Ward 2-4
Chris Jones 3-4 and I wouldn't balk at having him I just named 16 players at DT that should all be rd 1-2 talent but there are so many its pick your flavor. They all can't go in 1st 2 rds.
As far as LBs go I think I mentioned by mistake draft was low on them but I was thinking FA. I will start another post on LBs.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 17, 2016 6:13:34 GMT -5
Myles Jack OLB Now he is projected 1-2 because of injury but hes a top 10 talent and so many to choose from
Jaylon Smith 1-2 Same thing injury
Leonard Floyd 1-2
Darron Lee 1-2 These 4 all Rd 1 talent
Scooby Wright 2-3. Would love to have him. Again injury. If physical checks out and has a good combine he could shoot up
Kyler Fackrell 2-3 He had 82 tackles 15 for loss and 4 sacks. Good against run and coverage
Yannick Ngakoue 2-3 OLB/DE 255lbs- 38 tackles 15 for loss 13.5 sacks. are you serious?
Kentrell Brothers 2-3 152 Tackles 12 for loss 2 INTs 2.5 sacks 1 forced fumble 3 passes batted and blocked punt.
Antonio Morrison 2-4
Deion Jones 2-4 LSU
Dadi Nicholas 3-4 Now heres whats said. If it weren't for his size..235 lbs. He would be a 1st rd pick because of his pass rushing skills
Eric Striker OKlahoma- 67 tackles 19 for loss 7.5 sacks 3forced fumbles would be ranked higher but another tweener 228 lbs. Best 4-3 OLB /safety
The list goes on, as I said in another post, I believe Cravens brought this up. Some of these guys are smaller, so no one knows where to rank them. Cravens is listed as a LB or safety depending on whos board you look at. I listed 12 LBs.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 17, 2016 6:23:48 GMT -5
Now I would take any of those guys. Don't get me wrong. If a DT ends up being the best player on the board take him. If not they can wait. The Bengals are one of few teams that can take an injured player so long as he checks out. So if Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith were to fall? What would you do? They can take BPA and still get a very good DT.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 17, 2016 16:26:10 GMT -5
Now I would take any of those guys. Don't get me wrong. If a DT ends up being the best player on the board take him. If not they can wait. The Bengals are one of few teams that can take an injured player so long as he checks out. So if Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith were to fall? What would you do? They can take BPA and still get a very good DT. A first round LB would have the biggest impact on this defense per the numbers (tackles, INT, sacks, etc.) than any other positional player. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best direction to take in strengthening the defense. If teams continue to run the ball up the middle with success as they did last year vs. the Bengal D, a rookie linebacker is going to put up good numbers. But tackling a running back after he's ran for four yards or more isn't going to help the defense. Stuffing the run up front on a more consistent basis and thus bringing up more second and longs and third longs will have a much bigger impact. Another reason I'm not sold on drafting a LB in round one is the growth of LB P.J. Dawson. Dawson is a playmaker and his game speed is good enough. However, if Jaylon Smith and/or Myles Jack fall to the Bengals, they have to consider them but it depends on how they perform at the combine and how they check out medically. Either one would be a good addition if they're healthy. |
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