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Post by brad on Jul 31, 2018 3:10:46 GMT -5
Adam Duvall has been traded to the Atlanta Braves in exchange for 3 players. Returning to the Reds are:
SP-Lucas Sims, 24, was the Braves 1st rd pick in 2012 and considered the centerpiece of the deal. He's 4-3, 2.84 in 15 AAA starts this year with 34BB 83K in 73IP. .248BAA & a 1.37WHIP. With Braves, he's made 20 appearances in his career...10 starts & 10 relief: 3-6,5.96ERA 31BB 54K in 68IP. Similar to Robert Stephenson, he has pitched enough in the major to lose "official" prospect status. Will either report to Cin or Lou. Former Top 100 prospect
SP/RP-Matt Wisler,25, was the Braves 7th rd pick in 2011. He is 4-4,4.37ERA in 13 AAA starts this season. 14BB 65K in 70IP. .290BAA & 1.33WHIP. He is 1-1, 5.40ERA with the Braves across 7 appearances & 3 starts. 5BB 21K in 26.2IP. Has logged 324IP in the majors. Likely going to LOU. I think he may ultimately be a bullpen guy. May be too much of a fly ball pitcher. Former top 100 prospect
OF-Preston Tucker,28, was the Astros 7th rd pick in 2012. He's hitting .256 4HR 22RBI 7BB 33K .307OBP in 117AB. For his career spanning 3 seasons his is hitting .227 21HR 63RBI 35BB 141K .281OBP in 551AB. He may be Adam Dunn lite being a low on-base guy, but has a decent amount of pop in his bat. He's the brother of Astros uber prospect Kyle Tucker.
Overall, I'm good with this trade. Seems like a pretty good return for a guy entering his arbitration years, about to get more expensive, and would ultimately be our 4th OF behind Schebler, Hamilton, & Winker. Sims is the guy who we can hopefully get going and be a nice piece to the rotation. Sims's upside is greater than Duvall's which will be good over the next several years.
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 31, 2018 5:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 31, 2018 5:32:35 GMT -5
Merged threads with Brad leading off.
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 31, 2018 5:42:17 GMT -5
This looks like a clearing roster spots for the future type trade. If that is the mindset I do the same with Harvey and tell Bailey to have a nice life too. And if no starters return I go with a hybrid starting rotation that functions as a playoff for slots in 2019.
Desclafani
Mahle
Castillo
Romano
Sims
Stephenson
If they keep Mella up utilize he and Garrett as replacemnts for a few innings in shortened starts effecting as an extended look outing. I think no matter what going into next season we need 2 starting pitchers that aren't prospects or rehab projects and definitely from elsewhere but from here on out I go with a 6 man tryout rotation.
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Post by clinz on Jul 31, 2018 6:34:53 GMT -5
This looks like a clearing roster spots for the future type trade. If that is the mindset I do the same with Harvey and tell Bailey to have a nice life too. And if no starters return I go with a hybrid starting rotation that functions as a playoff for slots in 2019. Desclafani Mahle Castillo Romano Sims Stephenson If they keep Mella up utilize he and Garrett as replacemnts for a few innings in shortened starts effecting as an extended look outing. I think no matter what going into next season we need 2 starting pitchers that aren't prospects or rehab projects and definitely from elsewhere but from here on out I go with a 6 man tryout rotation. I’d like to see this for the rest of the season. Evaluate what you have and make a decision for the offseason to sign a SP and trade for one. Maybe you have something with the new additions (Stephenson, Sims). They only thing is we know how long it takes for a SP to establish himself. The Reds are gonna compete next year and they need pitching to get over the hump. I do have a concern though. Is Votto in a slump or is the age thing starting to creep up. He’s having an average year by his standards. A promising sign is the Reds are winning despite his slump the past month or so. |
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 31, 2018 7:03:09 GMT -5
This looks like a clearing roster spots for the future type trade. If that is the mindset I do the same with Harvey and tell Bailey to have a nice life too. And if no starters return I go with a hybrid starting rotation that functions as a playoff for slots in 2019. Desclafani Mahle Castillo Romano Sims Stephenson If they keep Mella up utilize he and Garrett as replacemnts for a few innings in shortened starts effecting as an extended look outing. I think no matter what going into next season we need 2 starting pitchers that aren't prospects or rehab projects and definitely from elsewhere but from here on out I go with a 6 man tryout rotation. I’d like to see this for the rest of the season. Evaluate what you have and make a decision for the offseason to sign a SP and trade for one. Maybe you have something with the new additions (Stephenson, Sims). They only thing is we know how long it takes for a SP to establish himself. The Reds are gonna compete next year and they need pitching to get over the hump. I do have a concern though. Is Votto in a slump or is the age thing starting to creep up. He’s having an average year by his standards. A promising sign is the Reds are winning despite his slump the past month or so. We are already watching every night with the resurgence in play. Doesn't it just make it a touch more exciting to do something like a 6 man rotation by adding Sims and Stephenson? I think so. Plus let it be known that these are tryouts for the 2019 rotation. They each get a minimum of 8 starts in the 56 games left. With Votto his average started to plummet right before the break going from around .303 to .280 but he is rebounding and has it climbing back to .289. I noticed this too and was wondering what was up. |
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 31, 2018 16:46:29 GMT -5
Well that's that. You can cite the remaining possibilities and the logic used for keeping Harvey but after years of watching this slow moving team it irks me the level of consistent inaction. Business needs to be taken care of. You want to take care of business in the offseason=do it at the winter meetings. You want to take care of business during the season=do it at the trade deadline. Spring training moves and August waiver deals=teams that aren't ready to do business IMO....
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Post by socalredsfan on Jul 31, 2018 17:40:36 GMT -5
Let me just say this to start. Great deal in getting three legitimate prospects for Duvall. Sims might be the real deal. Consider that of all the young mlb ready pitchers that we have, only Mahle is younger than Sims. Duvall is a nice guy, and would have been a great piece to come off our bench, and be inserted against Lefties, but this team has to stay young, and think of the future; Duvall just wasn't part of that, at his age, and being arbitration eligible.
As for Matt Harvey, and not being dealt. I wanted to see him dealt, but I didn't want nothing more than a couple worthless prospects for him. Clearly the front office didn't either, and I commend them for not giving in to that nonsense. We don't know what was offered, so we can assume that it wasn't much, because the Reds have clearly been planning on dealing Harvey. The risk in not dealing him is worth it. He can possibly bring much more in August, and there is a slight chance that he could sign here. Harvey has been, BY FAR, the best starter on this team since he arrived. Harvey seems to like it here quite a bit, and knowing the issues with free agency this past off season, who knows, he may be tempted to stay here for a decent two or three year deal. I'm sure Harvey knows this team is about to take off, and would like a chance to play in the post season.
We are so used to bashing this front office for so long, and rightly so, but we need to realize this is a different front office, and outside of the Chapman trade, almost everything it's done since trading for Suarez has been outstanding.
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Post by starscreamlive on Jul 31, 2018 17:42:10 GMT -5
I don't understand why they didn't move Harvey. I thought the whole purpose of trading Mesoraco for him is bc the pitching coaches thought they could improve his numbers and then the office could trade him off before the deadline.
Im happy with the Duvall trade. As of right now it appears to have been a smart move. We shall see though.
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Post by brad on Jul 31, 2018 18:10:14 GMT -5
The biggest issue with not trading Harvey is the rotation. Harvey, who has pretty much said he's going to hit the open market this winter, and Bailey are now taking 2 of the rotation spots we should be giving tryouts to. We've already shuffled Romano to the bullpen, and Mella is in the bullpen, who I'd like to see get a few starts, plus you have Stephenson who is needs to be up here seeing how everything his is doing at AAA will translate. I don't mind having Sims in AAA for a few starts to let our coaches work with him some.
So for the next little while, we have in the rotation:
-Disco
-Bailey
-Harvey
-Mahle
-Castillo
Those who I'd like to be getting a few starts:
-Stephenson
-Sims
-Mella
Then you still have Romano.
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Post by redsfan4life on Jul 31, 2018 19:32:28 GMT -5
Brad they are going with a 6 man rotation. Romano is starting tomorrow.
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Post by redsfan4life on Jul 31, 2018 19:36:35 GMT -5
Let me just say this to start. Great deal in getting three legitimate prospects for Duvall. Sims might be the real deal. Consider that of all the young mlb ready pitchers that we have, only Mahle is younger than Sims. Duvall is a nice guy, and would have been a great piece to come off our bench, and be inserted against Lefties, but this team has to stay young, and think of the future; Duvall just wasn't part of that, at his age, and being arbitration eligible. As for Matt Harvey, and not being dealt. I wanted to see him dealt, but I didn't want nothing more than a couple worthless prospects for him. Clearly the front office didn't either, and I commend them for not giving in to that nonsense. We don't know what was offered, so we can assume that it wasn't much, because the Reds have clearly been planning on dealing Harvey. The risk in not dealing him is worth it. He can possibly bring much more in August, and there is a slight chance that he could sign here. Harvey has been, BY FAR, the best starter on this team since he arrived. Harvey seems to like it here quite a bit, and knowing the issues with free agency this past off season, who knows, he may be tempted to stay here for a decent two or three year deal. I'm sure Harvey knows this team is about to take off, and would like a chance to play in the post season. We are so used to bashing this front office for so long, and rightly so, but we need to realize this is a different front office, and outside of the Chapman trade, almost everything it's done since trading for Suarez has been outstanding. Good post Chris. I am with you. I would though like to see Stephenson get some starts. I am sure he will though come Sept. Maybe Sims as well. I pulled a Lucas Sims autograph card from a pack back in spring. 1 of 5. I sold it if I knew he would become a Red I would have held onto it. |
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Post by starscreamlive on Jul 31, 2018 19:38:50 GMT -5
Brad they are going with a 6 man rotation. Romano is starting tomorrow. Im pretty interested to see how long they are going to keep that up. With a six man, they can always put one of them in late in a game on short notice since they have a bit more time to rest. Makes things a bit more flexible. Riggleman thinks outside the box a lot and I like that. |
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Post by flaredleg on Aug 1, 2018 0:31:42 GMT -5
It's been awhile, but it doesn't appear as though the Reds got fleeced in this trade as usual. Also looks like the front office is actually trying to improve the team, not just having half ass fire sales and salary dumps.
On bailey, me and I know several others on here wanted his ass traded years ago instead of Cueto. He's a bit of a head case in my opinion and is very injury prone. It would be bullpen or trade for Bailey if it were up to me.
Votto will be fine, he's probably just wore out from him and a couple of others providing all the offense for this team(up until recently when the Reds have had a offensive resurgence).
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Post by socalredsfan on Aug 1, 2018 10:16:18 GMT -5
Well, it looks like Bailey is having some sort of resurgence. Hopefully his last two starts is what we will continue to see in the future. Great surprise, that's for sure.
Back to the Matt Harvey situation, and the concern that the young guys aren't getting their shot. Something to consider. At this point, I think it's more important for this team to win, and create a mindset going into next season that they really are good, and can win it all if a few pieces are filled in. I personally think we are beyond the idea of still needing to try guys out, and see if they can do this or that. I believe that boat has sailed. I'd be lying if I wasn't excited about seeing what Robert Stephenson can do up here; he's proved himself in AAA this season. Having said that, I'm not so sure that's the best thing for the team. Here is why. The Reds are going to need to make some deals in the off season, and some of these arms are going to be moved; if not for any reason, in that we will probably sign a solid arm, or trade for one. Stephenson looks outstanding right now, and if he stays on this pace for the rest of the season, he will look like one hell of a trade piece. We bring him up again, and he implodes, then we will have lost so much trade value in him. Sure, there is a risk, but this team is going to have to trade off some of it's young pitchers to upgrade itself. I think Romano, and Stephenson both are legitimate trade chips in the off season. We can't keep them all, and they are getting older, so a few need to get dealt.
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