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Post by starscreamlive on Aug 1, 2018 10:29:26 GMT -5
Well, it looks like Bailey is having some sort of resurgence. Hopefully his last two starts is what we will continue to see in the future. Great surprise, that's for sure. Back to the Matt Harvey situation, and the concern that the young guys aren't getting their shot. Something to consider. At this point, I think it's more important for this team to win, and create a mindset going into next season that they really are good, and can win it all if a few pieces are filled in. I personally think we are beyond the idea of still needing to try guys out, and see if they can do this or that. I believe that boat has sailed. I'd be lying if I wasn't excited about seeing what Robert Stephenson can do up here; he's proved himself in AAA this season. Having said that, I'm not so sure that's the best thing for the team. Here is why. The Reds are going to need to make some deals in the off season, and some of these arms are going to be moved; if not for any reason, in that we will probably sign a solid arm, or trade for one. Stephenson looks outstanding right now, and if he stays on this pace for the rest of the season, he will look like one hell of a trade piece. We bring him up again, and he implodes, then we will have lost so much trade value in him. Sure, there is a risk, but this team is going to have to trade off some of it's young pitchers to upgrade itself. I think Romano, and Stephenson both are legitimate trade chips in the off season. We can't keep them all, and they are getting older, so a few need to get dealt. Thom and Chris Welsch were taking about that last night (the pitching situation) and I agree with you and them. Yes it would be nice to see young arms and what they could do, but we need momentum now to establish a winning mindset for next year. Do we establish a winning mentality in this club now for next year, or do we let the kids go out there now and hope for the best? I'm all for establishing momentum now. |
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Post by Rodneck on Aug 1, 2018 10:30:48 GMT -5
Well, it looks like Bailey is having some sort of resurgence. Hopefully his last two starts is what we will continue to see in the future. Great surprise, that's for sure. Back to the Matt Harvey situation, and the concern that the young guys aren't getting their shot. Something to consider. At this point, I think it's more important for this team to win, and create a mindset going into next season that they really are good, and can win it all if a few pieces are filled in. I personally think we are beyond the idea of still needing to try guys out, and see if they can do this or that. I believe that boat has sailed. I'd be lying if I wasn't excited about seeing what Robert Stephenson can do up here; he's proved himself in AAA this season. Having said that, I'm not so sure that's the best thing for the team. Here is why. The Reds are going to need to make some deals in the off season, and some of these arms are going to be moved; if not for any reason, in that we will probably sign a solid arm, or trade for one. Stephenson looks outstanding right now, and if he stays on this pace for the rest of the season, he will look like one hell of a trade piece. We bring him up again, and he implodes, then we will have lost so much trade value in him. Sure, there is a risk, but this team is going to have to trade off some of it's young pitchers to upgrade itself. I think Romano, and Stephenson both are legitimate trade chips in the off season. We can't keep them all, and they are getting older, so a few need to get dealt. Ken Broo made nearly the same argument and I am starting to believe in it. I set the odds of Harvey staying at about 6-1 and that is also dependent on if he pitches well down the lane and cost. And cost is paramount with Bailey. It is the only decision maker to stay. Regarding the latter if he sustains this down the lane good for us! It's not unheard of that a chronically hurt pitcher that flashed talent can come back to life. We are seeing that with Harvey. If both perform I hope that Harvey does net us a trade in August that is worthwhile. if Bailey doesn't by season's end, with his shitty attitude and disdain for a bullpen role I bite the bullet and let him walk. We are talking about the winning mindset right? If he doesn't have it as a starter he doesn't have it at all. But I believe overall assessing the worth of those two is as important as assessing the value of Sims and Stephenson. If anything to do that I would not hesitate to send down both Romano and Mahle. They had plenty of starts. Let them work on some things this last month of minor league ball. Call up the other two. But with a day to think about it I agree with your point that keeping the winning mindset is top priority. It will be interesting to see how this is handled and who does what. It's been fun for a little while now and that is a relief. Whole summers of losing wear you out! |
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Post by socalredsfan on Aug 1, 2018 13:12:07 GMT -5
Well, it looks like Bailey is having some sort of resurgence. Hopefully his last two starts is what we will continue to see in the future. Great surprise, that's for sure. Back to the Matt Harvey situation, and the concern that the young guys aren't getting their shot. Something to consider. At this point, I think it's more important for this team to win, and create a mindset going into next season that they really are good, and can win it all if a few pieces are filled in. I personally think we are beyond the idea of still needing to try guys out, and see if they can do this or that. I believe that boat has sailed. I'd be lying if I wasn't excited about seeing what Robert Stephenson can do up here; he's proved himself in AAA this season. Having said that, I'm not so sure that's the best thing for the team. Here is why. The Reds are going to need to make some deals in the off season, and some of these arms are going to be moved; if not for any reason, in that we will probably sign a solid arm, or trade for one. Stephenson looks outstanding right now, and if he stays on this pace for the rest of the season, he will look like one hell of a trade piece. We bring him up again, and he implodes, then we will have lost so much trade value in him. Sure, there is a risk, but this team is going to have to trade off some of it's young pitchers to upgrade itself. I think Romano, and Stephenson both are legitimate trade chips in the off season. We can't keep them all, and they are getting older, so a few need to get dealt. Ken Broo made nearly the same argument and I am starting to believe in it. I set the odds of Harvey staying at about 6-1 and that is also dependent on if he pitches well down the lane and cost. And cost is paramount with Bailey. It is the only decision maker to stay. Regarding the latter if he sustains this down the lane good for us! It's not unheard of that a chronically hurt pitcher that flashed talent can come back to life. We are seeing that with Harvey. If both perform I hope that Harvey does net us a trade in August that is worthwhile. if Bailey doesn't by season's end, with his shitty attitude and disdain for a bullpen role I bite the bullet and let him walk. We are talking about the winning mindset right? If he doesn't have it as a starter he doesn't have it at all. But I believe overall assessing the worth of those two is as important as assessing the value of Sims and Stephenson. If anything to do that I would not hesitate to send down both Romano and Mahle. They had plenty of starts. Let them work on some things this last month of minor league ball. Call up the other two. But with a day to think about it I agree with your point that keeping the winning mindset is top priority. It will be interesting to see how this is handled and who does what. It's been fun for a little while now and that is a relief. Whole summers of losing wear you out! What scares me the most now, is that Winker and Schebler are out, and Duvall is gone too. We basically have Hamilton left, out of the four. Sure, Schebler will be back, but will he truly be healthy? We saw last year when he played and wasn't healthy, he was terrible. Point being, I'm worried that this offense has taken a HUGE hit, and winning is going to be much tougher. Hope Scheb comes back and hits like he can, and your boy Peraza keeps hitting. Can you imagine this offense next year with this bullpen, and an actual starting staff that is above average? Lots of hope for next year. I'm getting too old to want time to speed up, but it's hard not to get excited about next season. |
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Post by claycc on Aug 1, 2018 17:33:00 GMT -5
I really hope these youngsters are learning something from Harvey while he is here. Sure, he's not in his past top form. But he has shown them at times how things look when you are pitch efficient. A few weeks ago especially, when he had a start shortened by rain, he was disappointed because his pitch count was so low through 5 innings that he knew he had complete game command going for him that night, but weather was ruining it. Hell, there was doubt that he would ever regain velocity on his fastball, but he just recently struck out two batters in a game on 97 mph heaters. It read like he was a dick in the clubhouse in NY and he might be a bit of a dick in our clubhouse as well... but he's giving the youngsters an example to actually learn from with some of his performance on the mound.
I thought I read that Bailey was having leg trouble that was keeping him from pushing off the mound effectively. He worked through that on his rehab and got an out pitch working. Maybe he knows to quit skipping leg day on his workout regimen now. haha
I think they need to take a look at Mahle's health for right now. He's been getting bombed lately. See if there is a reason to send him on a rehab assignment. If they are going with a 6-man rotation, that would free up a spot for Stephenson or Sims for the short term. A Harvey waiver deal could free up a spot for the other, at least until Mahle would be rehabbed.
Winker was in stroke. He was doing some decent damage for a low-power guy hitting lower in the order like he was. His bat is definitely missed right now. Without him, Schebler, and now Duvall out there, this lineup is dropping off a lot.
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Post by brad on Aug 1, 2018 20:34:47 GMT -5
Ken Broo made nearly the same argument and I am starting to believe in it. I set the odds of Harvey staying at about 6-1 and that is also dependent on if he pitches well down the lane and cost. And cost is paramount with Bailey. It is the only decision maker to stay. Regarding the latter if he sustains this down the lane good for us! It's not unheard of that a chronically hurt pitcher that flashed talent can come back to life. We are seeing that with Harvey. If both perform I hope that Harvey does net us a trade in August that is worthwhile. if Bailey doesn't by season's end, with his shitty attitude and disdain for a bullpen role I bite the bullet and let him walk. We are talking about the winning mindset right? If he doesn't have it as a starter he doesn't have it at all. But I believe overall assessing the worth of those two is as important as assessing the value of Sims and Stephenson. If anything to do that I would not hesitate to send down both Romano and Mahle. They had plenty of starts. Let them work on some things this last month of minor league ball. Call up the other two. But with a day to think about it I agree with your point that keeping the winning mindset is top priority. It will be interesting to see how this is handled and who does what. It's been fun for a little while now and that is a relief. Whole summers of losing wear you out! What scares me the most now, is that Winker and Schebler are out, and Duvall is gone too. We basically have Hamilton left, out of the four. Sure, Schebler will be back, but will he truly be healthy? We saw last year when he played and wasn't healthy, he was terrible. Point being, I'm worried that this offense has taken a HUGE hit, and winning is going to be much tougher. Hope Scheb comes back and hits like he can, and your boy Peraza keeps hitting. Can you imagine this offense next year with this bullpen, and an actual starting staff that is above average? Lots of hope for next year. I'm getting too old to want time to speed up, but it's hard not to get excited about next season. Schebler has been on his rehab assignment for a few days now. Still hitting well, but hasn't gone back to the OF yet. Hopefully he'll be back within the next week. |
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Post by redsfan4life on Aug 2, 2018 16:34:10 GMT -5
Ken Broo made nearly the same argument and I am starting to believe in it. I set the odds of Harvey staying at about 6-1 and that is also dependent on if he pitches well down the lane and cost. And cost is paramount with Bailey. It is the only decision maker to stay. Regarding the latter if he sustains this down the lane good for us! It's not unheard of that a chronically hurt pitcher that flashed talent can come back to life. We are seeing that with Harvey. If both perform I hope that Harvey does net us a trade in August that is worthwhile. if Bailey doesn't by season's end, with his shitty attitude and disdain for a bullpen role I bite the bullet and let him walk. We are talking about the winning mindset right? If he doesn't have it as a starter he doesn't have it at all. But I believe overall assessing the worth of those two is as important as assessing the value of Sims and Stephenson. If anything to do that I would not hesitate to send down both Romano and Mahle. They had plenty of starts. Let them work on some things this last month of minor league ball. Call up the other two. But with a day to think about it I agree with your point that keeping the winning mindset is top priority. It will be interesting to see how this is handled and who does what. It's been fun for a little while now and that is a relief. Whole summers of losing wear you out! What scares me the most now, is that Winker and Schebler are out, and Duvall is gone too. We basically have Hamilton left, out of the four. Sure, Schebler will be back, but will he truly be healthy? We saw last year when he played and wasn't healthy, he was terrible. Point being, I'm worried that this offense has taken a HUGE hit, and winning is going to be much tougher. Hope Scheb comes back and hits like he can, and your boy Peraza keeps hitting. Can you imagine this offense next year with this bullpen, and an actual starting staff that is above average? Lots of hope for next year. I'm getting too old to want time to speed up, but it's hard not to get excited about next season. Hopefully it is not a Austin Kearns situation with Schebler. It looks like Scooter will be kept and I am good with that. With Peraza doing decent at SS. They really need to look at Senzel in CF. If he is healthy I would be running him out there nearly everyday in spring. He won't be called up till May to gain another year of control. So they will have to run Billy out there till May. It looks like Bob C. won't allow Williams to trade Billy. Cleveland wanted him and ended up with Martin. |
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Post by brad on Aug 3, 2018 16:58:15 GMT -5
Part of the rotation issue is self-fulfilled itself. Tyler Mahle has been optioned to Louisville. Jesus Reyes. Not sure if they'll drop back to a 5-man rotation, or stat at 6 & bring up Sims or Stephenson.
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Post by claycc on Aug 3, 2018 18:48:14 GMT -5
Part of the rotation issue is self-fulfilled itself. Tyler Mahle has been optioned to Louisville. Jesus Reyes. Not sure if they'll drop back to a 5-man rotation, or stat at 6 & bring up Sims or Stephenson. Had to be done. Last four starts for just barely over 10 innings pitched. That's a black hole. Whether he's injured, having mechanical issues, or needs some mental time to himself... this can't continue.
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Post by Rodneck on Aug 3, 2018 21:34:11 GMT -5
Hunter Greene is out for the season with a sprained UCL. And one of Sims or Steve-O wasn't called up. Is Reyes just here to mop up innings til one of those 2 is needed for starts?
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Post by socalredsfan on Aug 3, 2018 23:44:21 GMT -5
What scares me the most now, is that Winker and Schebler are out, and Duvall is gone too. We basically have Hamilton left, out of the four. Sure, Schebler will be back, but will he truly be healthy? We saw last year when he played and wasn't healthy, he was terrible. Point being, I'm worried that this offense has taken a HUGE hit, and winning is going to be much tougher. Hope Scheb comes back and hits like he can, and your boy Peraza keeps hitting. Can you imagine this offense next year with this bullpen, and an actual starting staff that is above average? Lots of hope for next year. I'm getting too old to want time to speed up, but it's hard not to get excited about next season. Hopefully it is not a Austin Kearns situation with Schebler. It looks like Scooter will be kept and I am good with that. With Peraza doing decent at SS. They really need to look at Senzel in CF. If he is healthy I would be running him out there nearly everyday in spring. He won't be called up till May to gain another year of control. So they will have to run Billy out there till May. It looks like Bob C. won't allow Williams to trade Billy. Cleveland wanted him and ended up with Martin. Don't kid yourself. Peraza is coming back to earth now that his soft hit balls are not falling in. Since the break, I think he's hitting about .180. Also, we can't have that bad of a defensive player at SS. Peraza is just horrible. Last night's game against the Nat's, he started by throwing a ball in the dirt that Votto picked. Next ball, he bobbled, and still go the slow runner at 1st, and then he missed a pop up that should have been caught. Plus, his range has to be the worst we've seen in a Red's uniform at SS in years. SS is a hole on this team. At least Hamilton plays the best defense in the league in CF, and even though he doesn't get on base much, he still finds a way to score runs at a high level. We have got to replace Peraza, and if Senzel can't handle the job, then we need to find someone else who can. If this is going to be an upper level team next year, then it has to improve at SS. |
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Post by Rodneck on Aug 4, 2018 0:04:01 GMT -5
Hopefully it is not a Austin Kearns situation with Schebler. It looks like Scooter will be kept and I am good with that. With Peraza doing decent at SS. They really need to look at Senzel in CF. If he is healthy I would be running him out there nearly everyday in spring. He won't be called up till May to gain another year of control. So they will have to run Billy out there till May. It looks like Bob C. won't allow Williams to trade Billy. Cleveland wanted him and ended up with Martin. Don't kid yourself. Peraza is coming back to earth now that his soft hit balls are not falling in. Since the break, I think he's hitting about .180. Also, we can't have that bad of a defensive player at SS. Peraza is just horrible. Last night's game against the Nat's, he started by throwing a ball in the dirt that Votto picked. Next ball, he bobbled, and still go the slow runner at 1st, and then he missed a pop up that should have been caught. Plus, his range has to be the worst we've seen in a Red's uniform at SS in years. SS is a hole on this team. At least Hamilton plays the best defense in the league in CF, and even though he doesn't get on base much, he still finds a way to score runs at a high level. We have got to replace Peraza, and if Senzel can't handle the job, then we need to find someone else who can. If this is going to be an upper level team next year, then it has to improve at SS. Yeah. My boy Peraza! You've been dying to bash this kid since your boy is gone and where is he? On the DL? There are only 11 shortstops to play 880 or more innings. There are 7 with a better fielding % of those I grant that. But he has logged the innings and he made some amazing plays vs Philly but also made 2 errors. He's still finding himself in his first full season but he can dazzle. He has the athletic talent. Don't give up on him. He has hitting skills. His OBP might always be an issue. But not as lowly as Billy Hamilton. This kid still has upwards trajectory. |
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Post by Rodneck on Aug 4, 2018 0:06:46 GMT -5
Hopefully it is not a Austin Kearns situation with Schebler. It looks like Scooter will be kept and I am good with that. With Peraza doing decent at SS. They really need to look at Senzel in CF. If he is healthy I would be running him out there nearly everyday in spring. He won't be called up till May to gain another year of control. So they will have to run Billy out there till May. It looks like Bob C. won't allow Williams to trade Billy. Cleveland wanted him and ended up with Martin. Don't kid yourself. Peraza is coming back to earth now that his soft hit balls are not falling in. Since the break, I think he's hitting about .180. Also, we can't have that bad of a defensive player at SS. Peraza is just horrible. Last night's game against the Nat's, he started by throwing a ball in the dirt that Votto picked. Next ball, he bobbled, and still go the slow runner at 1st, and then he missed a pop up that should have been caught. Plus, his range has to be the worst we've seen in a Red's uniform at SS in years. SS is a hole on this team. At least Hamilton plays the best defense in the league in CF, and even though he doesn't get on base much, he still finds a way to score runs at a high level. We have got to replace Peraza, and if Senzel can't handle the job, then we need to find someone else who can. If this is going to be an upper level team next year, then it has to improve at SS. Of the 8 players to have over 30 at bats since the all star break only Votto and Ervin are hitting over .250. |
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Post by socalredsfan on Aug 7, 2018 16:08:42 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself. Peraza is coming back to earth now that his soft hit balls are not falling in. Since the break, I think he's hitting about .180. Also, we can't have that bad of a defensive player at SS. Peraza is just horrible. Last night's game against the Nat's, he started by throwing a ball in the dirt that Votto picked. Next ball, he bobbled, and still go the slow runner at 1st, and then he missed a pop up that should have been caught. Plus, his range has to be the worst we've seen in a Red's uniform at SS in years. SS is a hole on this team. At least Hamilton plays the best defense in the league in CF, and even though he doesn't get on base much, he still finds a way to score runs at a high level. We have got to replace Peraza, and if Senzel can't handle the job, then we need to find someone else who can. If this is going to be an upper level team next year, then it has to improve at SS. Yeah. My boy Peraza! You've been dying to bash this kid since your boy is gone and where is he? On the DL? There are only 11 shortstops to play 880 or more innings. There are 7 with a better fielding % of those I grant that. But he has logged the innings and he made some amazing plays vs Philly but also made 2 errors. He's still finding himself in his first full season but he can dazzle. He has the athletic talent. Don't give up on him. He has hitting skills. His OBP might always be an issue. But not as lowly as Billy Hamilton. This kid still has upwards trajectory. Rod, I'm not waiting to bash him at all. I've already been doing that for almost two years now  You and I have watched the Reds for years, and if one is being honest, Peraza may be the worst fielding starter this team has had in our lifetime. And no, he's not nearly as valuable as Hamilton is, and that's not saying much. Hamilton saves games with his glove, and scores runs at a crazy rate, when he's actually on base. Peraza does none of those things. Plus, there is NOBODY else in that infield that needs to be replaced. The best offensive players on the team are with Peraza in the infield. And truthfully, with that infield, I'd be fine with Peraza and his weak bat, if he was a gold glove type of defensive player at SS, but he's far from that. |
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Post by Rodneck on Aug 7, 2018 18:05:01 GMT -5
Yeah. My boy Peraza! You've been dying to bash this kid since your boy is gone and where is he? On the DL? There are only 11 shortstops to play 880 or more innings. There are 7 with a better fielding % of those I grant that. But he has logged the innings and he made some amazing plays vs Philly but also made 2 errors. He's still finding himself in his first full season but he can dazzle. He has the athletic talent. Don't give up on him. He has hitting skills. His OBP might always be an issue. But not as lowly as Billy Hamilton. This kid still has upwards trajectory. Rod, I'm not waiting to bash him at all. I've already been doing that for almost two years now You and I have watched the Reds for years, and if one is being honest, Peraza may be the worst fielding starter this team has had in our lifetime. And no, he's not nearly as valuable as Hamilton is, and that's not saying much. Hamilton saves games with his glove, and scores runs at a crazy rate, when he's actually on base. Peraza does none of those things. Plus, there is NOBODY else in that infield that needs to be replaced. The best offensive players on the team are with Peraza in the infield. And truthfully, with that infield, I'd be fine with Peraza and his weak bat, if he was a gold glove type of defensive player at SS, but he's far from that. You wrote him off the second we got him so I take all the critiques with a grain of salt. My whole contention is he is not a finished product. I am waiting to pass judgement on what exactly he is because i don't think he has reached his ceiling at all. |
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Post by Rodneck on Aug 8, 2018 17:00:23 GMT -5
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You and I have watched the Reds for years, and if one is being honest, Peraza may be the worst fielding starter this team has had in our lifetime. And no, he's not nearly as valuable as Hamilton is, and that's not saying much. Hamilton saves games with his glove, and scores runs at a crazy rate, when he's actually on base. Peraza does none of those things. Plus, there is NOBODY else in that infield that needs to be replaced. The best offensive players on the team are with Peraza in the infield. And truthfully, with that infield, I'd be fine with Peraza and his weak bat, if he was a gold glove type of defensive player at SS, but he's far from that.