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Post by Rodneck on Jul 8, 2018 12:47:24 GMT -5
We blow huge fuckin leads. I don't care what the recent record is, I am tuning in every night but when you lose 2 games in 1 week and score 7 and 8 runs don't tell me how good the fuckin bullpen is and we can trade Iglesias for dogshit no problem. We'd be 8 games under .500 if it weren't for this. Low bar set? Hell yes but better baseball and any bar is welcome!
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Post by clinz on Jul 8, 2018 14:27:40 GMT -5
This offseason is going to be crucial for the Reds. There’s a lot of possibilities that could happen. We know Harvey is gone. The Reds were able to turn Mez into a possible player for us in the future. I like when you get the right cards cuz we need it. It’s safe to say IMO the IF is Saurez, Votto and Peraza. Peraza is starting to look like he can stick at SS. The 2nd base log jam has to be resolved. Calling up Herrera leaving him on the bench without any options left is a head scratcher. Giving him no at bats his pointless if he’s a possible trade candidate. What to do with Scooter? Trade or resign him? If you resign him what’s that do with Senzel. Put him in the OF. I don’t know about that. Plus they drafted India another IF or does he play outfield. Let’s not forget about Shed Long either. I think I’d trade Scooter while the iron is hot. The BP has been really solid this year. Do you keep it intact or do you move parts. Iglesias is your strongest asset. If you pull the trigger on him don’t settle like they did with Chapman. The Reds hold all the control with him and could get a huge haul. Garrett looks like he could step into closer role. I saw the Nats inquired about him but they did trade for Herrera. I like Victor Robles a lot. He would be included in my package if a trade is made. Wishful thinking here but that takes us to our OF. He could provide a strong piece to the OF. Robles, Winker and Schebler. If you keep Iglesias next year I could still see keeping the same OF. If everyone keeps hitting maybe you can keep Hamilton in the lineup for his D and speed. His SB has taken a hit this year. I can see him being the 4th OF coming in for late innings D too. A trade for Hamilton and Duvall still can be had. For me, the most important thing for the Reds to do would be to acquire two quality SP. One from a trade with all your minor league assets and the other through FA. I like how the Cubs did it and I believe it’s feasible for the Reds. Your position players are keep at a decent salary while you spend money on quality SP. Lets hope the Reds make the right moves and could start competing next year. We see the capabilities this team has.
I agree Rod blowing those two games was tough to watch and could’ve put them 8 games under. From where they were then to where they are now is night and day and has been very enjoyable to watch. I just want to see progress and we are seeing that. Let’s go Reds.
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 9, 2018 13:48:29 GMT -5
Linz it took me til today to go over this and it is stunning. Not only has the bullpen lost 5 of the last 13 games but we have committed 13 errors and allowed 14 unearned runs in those games. We have lost 3 of the last 6 games while scoring 5-7-8 runs. Talk about a momentum killer. I don't trade anybody except for Harvey and you do it with prospects. This ownership can't draft their way out of a paper bag so who gives a shit?! Everybody that is on this team that is worth a fuck has not been in this farm system under this ownership. None of them. Man I am just souring on this team because of Bob Castellini and his big mouth. What little they accomplished during the playoff years was not much of their own doing. And it appears they have no vision other than a great ballpark experience. They are winning for sure. Reality be damned!
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 9, 2018 14:02:22 GMT -5
This offseason is going to be crucial for the Reds. There’s a lot of possibilities that could happen. We know Harvey is gone. The Reds were able to turn Mez into a possible player for us in the future. I like when you get the right cards cuz we need it. It’s safe to say IMO the IF is Saurez, Votto and Peraza. Peraza is starting to look like he can stick at SS. The 2nd base log jam has to be resolved. Calling up Herrera leaving him on the bench without any options left is a head scratcher. Giving him no at bats his pointless if he’s a possible trade candidate. What to do with Scooter? Trade or resign him? If you resign him what’s that do with Senzel. Put him in the OF. I don’t know about that. Plus they drafted India another IF or does he play outfield. Let’s not forget about Shed Long either. I think I’d trade Scooter while the iron is hot. The BP has been really solid this year. Do you keep it intact or do you move parts. Iglesias is your strongest asset. If you pull the trigger on him don’t settle like they did with Chapman. The Reds hold all the control with him and could get a huge haul. Garrett looks like he could step into closer role. I saw the Nats inquired about him but they did trade for Herrera. I like Victor Robles a lot. He would be included in my package if a trade is made. Wishful thinking here but that takes us to our OF. He could provide a strong piece to the OF. Robles, Winker and Schebler. If you keep Iglesias next year I could still see keeping the same OF. If everyone keeps hitting maybe you can keep Hamilton in the lineup for his D and speed. His SB has taken a hit this year. I can see him being the 4th OF coming in for late innings D too. A trade for Hamilton and Duvall still can be had. For me, the most important thing for the Reds to do would be to acquire two quality SP. One from a trade with all your minor league assets and the other through FA. I like how the Cubs did it and I believe it’s feasible for the Reds. Your position players are keep at a decent salary while you spend money on quality SP. Lets hope the Reds make the right moves and could start competing next year. We see the capabilities this team has. I agree Rod blowing those two games was tough to watch and could’ve put them 8 games under. From where they were then to where they are now is night and day and has been very enjoyable to watch. I just want to see progress and we are seeing that. Let’s go Reds. Linds following the logic of every other GM in baseball is exactly why I don't trade Gennett. I see him in the JD Martinez late bloomer bracket. Every other GM won't give you shit for him because of age. So don't trade him. Certain players have their prime years outside of the cookie cutter mold. When they do have them later their trade value is never going to match their actual production. I keep him. Amir Garret has allowed 6 earned runs in his last 3.1 innings and 5 appearances. His ERA could hit the 4.00 mark by month's end. Not going to anoint him closer just yet! That's what I am saying. We are not strong anywhere so you don't trade anybody but use prospects and cash. With the way they are operating there is no choice. Unless losing perennially is a choice! LOL! I love this team but am frustrated. |
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 9, 2018 14:10:34 GMT -5
This offseason is going to be crucial for the Reds. There’s a lot of possibilities that could happen. We know Harvey is gone. The Reds were able to turn Mez into a possible player for us in the future. I like when you get the right cards cuz we need it. It’s safe to say IMO the IF is Saurez, Votto and Peraza. Peraza is starting to look like he can stick at SS. The 2nd base log jam has to be resolved. Calling up Herrera leaving him on the bench without any options left is a head scratcher. Giving him no at bats his pointless if he’s a possible trade candidate. What to do with Scooter? Trade or resign him? If you resign him what’s that do with Senzel. Put him in the OF. I don’t know about that. Plus they drafted India another IF or does he play outfield. Let’s not forget about Shed Long either. I think I’d trade Scooter while the iron is hot. The BP has been really solid this year. Do you keep it intact or do you move parts. Iglesias is your strongest asset. If you pull the trigger on him don’t settle like they did with Chapman. The Reds hold all the control with him and could get a huge haul. Garrett looks like he could step into closer role. I saw the Nats inquired about him but they did trade for Herrera. I like Victor Robles a lot. He would be included in my package if a trade is made. Wishful thinking here but that takes us to our OF. He could provide a strong piece to the OF. Robles, Winker and Schebler. If you keep Iglesias next year I could still see keeping the same OF. If everyone keeps hitting maybe you can keep Hamilton in the lineup for his D and speed. His SB has taken a hit this year. I can see him being the 4th OF coming in for late innings D too. A trade for Hamilton and Duvall still can be had. For me, the most important thing for the Reds to do would be to acquire two quality SP. One from a trade with all your minor league assets and the other through FA. I like how the Cubs did it and I believe it’s feasible for the Reds. Your position players are keep at a decent salary while you spend money on quality SP. Lets hope the Reds make the right moves and could start competing next year. We see the capabilities this team has. I agree Rod blowing those two games was tough to watch and could’ve put them 8 games under. From where they were then to where they are now is night and day and has been very enjoyable to watch. I just want to see progress and we are seeing that. Let’s go Reds. It has been enjoyable to watch. Summer is fun. It's so awesome when your team is playing good baseball because it is an event every night! You have your eyes completely fixated where mine are. You somehow get 2 badass starters on this team and we soar immediately... |
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Post by redsfan4life on Jul 9, 2018 17:50:40 GMT -5
The pen is about to go belly up I am afraid. The starters have been pitching better but when they only go 5 innings on average the pen is gased. I am leaning now in direction of trading Scooter. I doubt we can trade him though. His shoulder is gone. It is getting worse. He can't even make a simple throw anymore. I bet he would fail a physical therefore he couldn't be traded.
On another note Riggleman sucks ass. Yesterday Peraza singles steals 2nd. 2ND FASTEST GUY ON TEAM already in scoring position no outs. Riggleman has Tucker bunt. Stupid as can be. Then Lorenzen is rolling gave up one weak groundball single. He pulls him for 87 MPH throwing Crockett.
Then he don't pitch Iglesias yesterday waiting for the old save chance to come that never came. We all knew as soon as Stephens entered it was game over.
Votto needs to be moved to either leadoff or 2 hole till his power returns. He is a walk or a slap single to LF right now. Nothing wrong with that he gets on base but Suarez needs to hit 3rd going foward he is the lineups Masher.
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 9, 2018 20:56:31 GMT -5
Amir Garrett comes right in and walks a batter then gives up a home run. 8 runs allowed in his last 3 innings and change. Still want to trade Iglesias?!!! This kid is a joke.
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Post by claycc on Jul 9, 2018 21:01:31 GMT -5
The bullpen definitely needs a rest. Desclafani going 7 tonight was a nice. Trying to go the rest of the way on one reliever is fine, too. But Garrett better be getting a rest after tonight... and a medical checkup, just to be safe.
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Post by claycc on Jul 9, 2018 21:03:53 GMT -5
Well, shit... come on, Rainey.
The kid pounds the zone, when he has control. Looks like he has decent control tonight. Too bad the Indians are pounding his ass so far.
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Post by claycc on Jul 9, 2018 21:05:37 GMT -5
Figures.
They should've been able to use just one reliever tonight.
But they fuck up a wet dream on a waterbed and end up using three.
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Post by Rodneck on Jul 9, 2018 23:50:52 GMT -5
Yeah Clay making it waaaayyy too exciting jeez!
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Post by forty on Jul 10, 2018 7:23:39 GMT -5
Same thing with Garrett last year, start out like a house on fire and then belly up. A lot less innings this year I would think. Makes you wonder.
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Post by redsfan4life on Jul 10, 2018 17:41:02 GMT -5
I think Garrett will be fine providing he isn't hiding a injury. Riggleman sucks ass. He keps sending Garrett back out there for a 2nd inn. It hasn't worked last several times. I wanted to see Garrett and Lorenzen start. But that ship may have sailed for both guys.
Baseball is changing fast. It is not close to the same game we watched 5 or even 3 years ago.
I change my mind a bunch but as of now I am in the keep Iglesias mode.
If anything keep him and try to get a couple more like him. It is great to have stud starting pitching but that is becoming harder and harder to find in baseball.
May be better off to go with average starting pitching to go with 7-8 deep really good relievers. Get starters through 5 innings and have a couple multi inning relievers finish game. It is eaiser to trade for relievers than it is starters. Build a air tight pen. Use it like you would a rotation. Use 2 different guys mulitiple innings every 3rd game when leading. Use your 7th and 8th guys in games you are losing. That of course wouldn't always work at times you would need to use your 7th and 8th guy when leading and you would have to use 1-6 when losing at times.
But go with a loaded pen a loaded offence and average starting pitchng that maybe best way to go for small market team like the Reds.
Having said all that mess we don't even have anything close to average starting pitching right now. Mahle looks like the real deal. But guess what so did Castillo last year. See how that has turned out. I still like Mahle,Castillo and Disco. But odds are Disco won't hold up over a full season. I would either send Romano to the pen now or send him down. I would have Robert Stephenson in the rotation for the rest of the season.
We aren't winning anything this year. It makes no difference to me if we finish 81-81 or 70-92. So I give Stephenson one last chance. He is pitching fairly well in AAA. I believe he will be out of options next year so he will either be on opening day roster or gone. We have nothing to lose either send Romano down or trade Harvey. A spot needs opened for Stephenson. Find out if he has a future with the Reds or not.
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Post by brad on Jul 10, 2018 23:02:17 GMT -5
I think Garrett will be fine providing he isn't hiding a injury. Riggleman sucks ass. He keps sending Garrett back out there for a 2nd inn. It hasn't worked last several times. I wanted to see Garrett and Lorenzen start. But that ship may have sailed for both guys. Baseball is changing fast. It is not close to the same game we watched 5 or even 3 years ago. I change my mind a bunch but as of now I am in the keep Iglesias mode. If anything keep him and try to get a couple more like him. It is great to have stud starting pitching but that is becoming harder and harder to find in baseball. May be better off to go with average starting pitching to go with 7-8 deep really good relievers. Get starters through 5 innings and have a couple multi inning relievers finish game. It is eaiser to trade for relievers than it is starters. Build a air tight pen. Use it like you would a rotation. Use 2 different guys mulitiple innings every 3rd game when leading. Use your 7th and 8th guys in games you are losing. That of course wouldn't always work at times you would need to use your 7th and 8th guy when leading and you would have to use 1-6 when losing at times. But go with a loaded pen a loaded offence and average starting pitchng that maybe best way to go for small market team like the Reds. Having said all that mess we don't even have anything close to average starting pitching right now. Mahle looks like the real deal. But guess what so did Castillo last year. See how that has turned out. I still like Mahle,Castillo and Disco. But odds are Disco won't hold up over a full season. I would either send Romano to the pen now or send him down. I would have Robert Stephenson in the rotation for the rest of the season. We aren't winning anything this year. It makes no difference to me if we finish 81-81 or 70-92. So I give Stephenson one last chance. He is pitching fairly well in AAA. I believe he will be out of options next year so he will either be on opening day roster or gone. We have nothing to lose either send Romano down or trade Harvey. A spot needs opened for Stephenson. Find out if he has a future with the Reds or not. Yeah...Bob Stevenson has been really good as of late, and I hope it means he has figured it out some. At the deadline, I'd be looking at flipping Matt Harvey & Scooter Gennett. Give Herrera the 2B job for the rest of the year for an extended look. Feels like the team is getting closer to contention, and Iglesias is signed long enough to be with the team as they make a run. |
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Post by clinz on Jul 11, 2018 6:33:28 GMT -5
What a fucking comeback. Wow, I’m still stunned.
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