Winker or Hamilton...

Definitely ready to see if Winker can hit at this level. I think he can and game over for Billy. sub .300 OBP's cancels everything else out IMO.

From twitter @dougdirt24
Billy Hamilton is the teams center fielder and he's not getting moved out of that spot for a non-center fielder.

He follows that tweet up with another saying neither Winker or Schebler can play CF in the majors

Winker was a fall back to replace Duvall or Schebler if either one pissed down their leg

Good thing is neither has

Bad thing is Billy Hamilton is pissing down his leg again

Thing is the Reds just don't have anyone to replace him. Reds have been looking for a CF and tip of the order hitting since the days of Corey Patterson, Willy Travares and KTubbs

Reds may have trade bait it anyone looking for power hitter down the stretch and trade Duvall or Schebler. Seems most teams now want to add pitchers. Do we trade one of our stud relief pitchers and if so for what? Inglesis or Lorenzen

When Billy sits.

1. Winker rf
2. Votto 1b
3. Suarez 3b
4. Schebler CF
5. Duvall lf
6. Cozart ss
7. Mesoraco c
8. Scooter/Peraza.

When Billy plays for Winker
1. Votto 1b
2. Suarez 3b
3.Schebler rf
4. Duvall lf
5. Cozart ss
6. Mesoraco c
7.Scooter/Peraza. I would platoon them. At least till Cozart is traded. If they plan on keeping Scooter. He is only 27.
8. Billy cf.

When Billy plays for Schebler or Duvall.
1. Winker rf
2.Votto 1b
3. Suarez 3b
4. Schebler or Duvall.
5. Cozart ss
6. Mesoraco c and I would treat him as a starting catcher. He would only sit no more than twice a week.
7. Scooter/Peraza 2b
8. Billy CF.

This isn't rocket science. It would improve OBP at the top and not hurt Power one bit. Off. would improve.
But this would require a manager to think a little and have 3 different lineup secnerios. That is asking too much from Price though.

I think it's easy to trash Billy, and in many instances, for good reason. The problem though, is the Reds win when Billy gets on base. Last night was an example. Billy gets on in the 8th via a walk in a tie game, and steals 2nd and 3rd, scoring on an infield hit; that's the game right there. He does this sort of thing a lot, even with his sub par numbers. It's also easier to bash the kid when he's been in an unbelievable bad stretch. Nobody created this thread in May when he was on fire and scored a whopping 27 runs during the month. He's had two sub par months, and an amazing month. I'm probably as frustrated with him as anyone in here, but I also believe that in this day and age, Billy is a true anomaly. His defense and his speed is an unbelievable game changer. Last year, Billy trailed only Votto and Duvall with a 2.8 WAR. This year, after the horrible June, he's only .3, which puts him way down the list. For me personally, I'm wanting to see how Billy ends the year this year, before I make any decisions.

I want to see what Winker can do too, but let's face it, he's not been some super looking prospect over the last few years. Also, he would really hurt the defense in the outfield, by giving us declining defense in all three spots; not to mention he is a very slow on the bases. Then again, he could be an offensive player like Casey was; hard to say. I'm just not ready to find out at the expense of giving up on Billy right now, and shuffling guys in and out of the lineup all week is a terrible idea that NEVER works. Worst thing you could do to both Duvall and Schebler.

You said it right there on why Hamilton is the bigger issue: Scooter has earned the 2B job. Peraza is riding pine or AAA-bound when Cozart is back. That is going to work itself out. Peraza's plate discipline doesn't really matter. He rarely walks. He has the worst OBP of the starters. Hamilton is actually walking at a somewhat decent rate. If Peraza walked at the same rate as Hamilton, he would still have the 2nd worst OBP of the starters (Hamilton would then be the worst). All that speed sure is nice. But what would be nicer is if the OBP was decent ahead of Votto and the bashers in the heart of the order. Hell, using Barnhart/Mesoraco at the top of the order is almost a better option. But Scooter/Cozart, in whatever order, ahead of Votto makes the most sense right now. I'm hoping Cozart is rejuvenated and has his stroke back anyhow. He had been slumping for awhile.

Rod, my problem with Suarez was in 2015, because I thought he was a terrible fielding SS, and frankly, I didn't think he could hit very well either.  I was certainly wrong on the hitting part.  Suarez was an absolute steel, and has become a very highly regarded fielder at 3rd base too.  I felt much the same about Peraza when I first saw him too.  When he was called up the 2nd time though, he fooled me into thinking that he could hit.  I guess I thought his little dinkers would fall in year after year.  I think we often play the age game, and use that as some sort of barometer, which is probably an incorrect way of evaluating a player.  Peraza may be young at 23, but he's been playing organized baseball for years.  Contrast that, for example, with Castillo, last night's starter, who is 26, but didn't start playing until he was 19.  Peraza is younger but with so much more baseball experience.  That aside, it's tough to argue regardless of age, that Peraza is one of the weakest hitters we will ever see, and I mean power related.  Balls are coming off his bat weakly, and are not getting squared up.  

Here's the better question.  If you don't give up on a 23 year old, then does that mean you don't give up on any 23 year old in the organization no matter where he was drafted?  Point being, what is it about Peraza that screams high level player? Okay, he's fast, some say plays great defense (very debatable).  What else?

As for Billy, I do agree with you.  This is the last year for my patience with him also, especially considering he's going to be arbitration eligible.  

Most baseball players don't arrive done. I think Peraza hasn't hit anywhere near his ceiling yet. He gets Billy's age and is doing the same thing I'll be thinking the same thing about him.

I'm with you and Brian regarding Winker. If he could be Casey like but at the top of the order that would be a tremendous improvement and worth the defensive sacrifice. I still think defensive metrics contribute too much to WAR anyway.