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Post by 77bengal on Feb 24, 2016 19:56:39 GMT -5
The Bengals are notorious for bringing in players that are considered by most to be 'over the hill'. Last years signing of A.J. Hawk is a good example. So it occurred to me that the Bengals will almost assuredly add a WR during the off-season and the Colts just released the aging Andre Johnson.
Could they? Would they? Should they? All I know is that Johnson has been in the league since the cretaceous period and the Colts weren't satisfied with his production. However, from the outside looking in, Johnson has all the qualities the Bengals look for in a free agent: Older age, declining skills, and most importantly, a cheap price tag.
Personally, I'm against signing Johnson but what do you guys think? Is Johnson a legitimate option or should the Bengals pass?
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 24, 2016 19:59:59 GMT -5
I think after the one bust on a WR in FA they are scared to do that!
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 26, 2016 9:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 26, 2016 19:56:59 GMT -5
Thanks Rod. Good video. Another WR the Bengals may be interested in is Marquis Colston of the Saints. Colston has all the 'qualities' of Andre Johnson so don't be surprised if he's headed to Cincinnati in the near future. |
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Post by lostwou on Feb 27, 2016 7:42:05 GMT -5
I don't look for them to pick up any FA unless its defense. Like Rod said they haven't done well with FA WR. Gregg Little most recent. They will draft a young guy or two. You can't put just anyone next to aj green. Has to be someone young and fast that can take the pressure off him. They can draft a younger more talented wr for less thru the draft then to pay more for an aging one.
I would look to fill defense in FA. Which is what they normally do. They will not look for a starting WR in FA. Let me rephrase that. They shouldn't. When it comes to WRs RBs CBs seems they like to draft there own.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 27, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -5
I don't know, I think that with the dearth of receivers we have they will address the position through both means, but it won't be of the high profile variety via FA. A receiver like Colton does make sense monetarily and he is a sure handed bet. They can't purely bet on fresh draft picks that get confused, or get the dropsies. We are losing multiple receivers and we already have O-line issues, we can't have both.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 27, 2016 11:53:42 GMT -5
I'm not in favor of the Bengals bringing in any of the aforementioned 'over the hill' WRs. The Bengals WR corp needs speed. If they want a slower possession WR, then they should re-sign Sanu.
However, if the Bengals were to go against tradition and ink a young and fast WR like Travis Benjamin of the Browns, that would be a great signing. Benjamin is an up and coming WR who has speed and made plays on a pathetic Browns offense. Team him up with A.J. Green and a rookie like Fuller, and Benjamin may turn out to be a better WR than our own Marvin Jones with the numbers to prove it. And weakening a division opponent is never a bad thing especially when they plan on raiding your cupboard.
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 27, 2016 16:16:07 GMT -5
I'm not in favor of the Bengals bringing in any of the aforementioned 'over the hill' WRs. The Bengals WR corp needs speed. If they want a slower possession WR, then they should re-sign Sanu. However, if the Bengals were to go against tradition and ink a young and fast WR like Travis Benjamin of the Browns, that would be a great signing. Benjamin is an up and coming WR who has speed and made plays on a pathetic Browns offense. Team him up with A.J. Green and a rookie like Fuller, and Benjamin may turn out to be a better WR than our own Marvin Jones with the numbers to prove it. And weakening a division opponent is never a bad thing especially when they plan on raiding your cupboard. The more I bat this ball around the brain regarding this whole position and scenarios I really think you are onto something 77. Having some foresight and seeing something in a prospect whether it be in baseball,football, or horse racing is what separates winners from losers or at least mediocrity from greatness. I'm liking this avenue of solution more and more. |
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 27, 2016 17:38:49 GMT -5
Though he's not a WR, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Bengals target Haloti Ngata. Ngata's skills are also in decline so he will probably come with a 'price friendly' tag. Personally, I would like the Bengals to consider Ian Williams of the 49er's. Williams is a young up and comer that has the potential to pair nicely beside Atkins but his ability to stop the run needs to be checked out thoroughly before signing him.
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Post by lostwou on Feb 28, 2016 8:53:33 GMT -5
Guys look at it like this. We have a team right now that knows how to play together. Especially our defense. We have a top five defense. We stand to lose the most important pieces. Signing Iloka imo is way more important than Marvin Jones. He will not come cheap. Safeties like him are hard to find. Adam Jones may be aging, but he is the best CB on this team. He wont demand top CB money because of age but he wont be real cheap. But hes earned a good contract. Marvin Jones imo, is good but he can be replaced easily.
WE HAVE to spend money keeping this defense together! If they sign Iloka, the only position they should seek outside of our own guys, is LB. Namely James Laurinaitis.
Next years list of FAs, Tyler Eifert, Whitworth, Kevin Zeitler, Dre Kirpatrick, Giovani Bernard. When you look at that, they don't have 35 million to just blow away! Whitworth can go. But these other guys? Wont come cheap. And you think they should spend big money on a WR in FA? I say no. Draft one by rd 2. Then grab another later in mid rd.
I disagree with 77 that we can't get a really good DL in rd 3 and 4. And apparently so do the Bengals. Look where we got Atkins.
One thing you have to keep in mind is they rotate their line.
Rod our OL was crap your right. But we drafted 2 OTs in the 1st two rds last year. If they shore up our own guys on defense and pick up another in FA. That opens the draft up for us to get what we need left on defense and get 2 receivers a center will be available in mid rds.
WE still have Marcus Hardin he got injured in preseason so we still yet to see what he can do. Bottom line after we sign our own and look at 2017 FAs we don't have as much money to hit FA like you think. If we can't keep our DBs together we are screwed.
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 28, 2016 14:31:18 GMT -5
Guys look at it like this. We have a team right now that knows how to play together. Especially our defense. We have a top five defense. We stand to lose the most important pieces. Signing Iloka imo is way more important than Marvin Jones. He will not come cheap. Safeties like him are hard to find. Adam Jones may be aging, but he is the best CB on this team. He wont demand top CB money because of age but he wont be real cheap. But hes earned a good contract. Marvin Jones imo, is good but he can be replaced easily. WE HAVE to spend money keeping this defense together! If they sign Iloka, the only position they should seek outside of our own guys, is LB. Namely James Laurinaitis. Next years list of FAs, Tyler Eifert, Whitworth, Kevin Zeitler, Dre Kirpatrick, Giovani Bernard. When you look at that, they don't have 35 million to just blow away! Whitworth can go. But these other guys? Wont come cheap. And you think they should spend big money on a WR in FA? I say no. Draft one by rd 2. Then grab another later in mid rd. I disagree with 77 that we can't get a really good DL in rd 3 and 4. And apparently so do the Bengals. Look where we got Atkins. One thing you have to keep in mind is they rotate their line. Rod our OL was crap your right. But we drafted 2 OTs in the 1st two rds last year. If they shore up our own guys on defense and pick up another in FA. That opens the draft up for us to get what we need left on defense and get 2 receivers a center will be available in mid rds. WE still have Marcus Hardin he got injured in preseason so we still yet to see what he can do. Bottom line after we sign our own and look at 2017 FAs we don't have as much money to hit FA like you think. If we can't keep our DBs together we are screwed. This post misrepresents my stance on a lot of different points. (But there are a few parts I agree with.)  I never posted that we couldn't get any good DL in round 3 or later and those that have followed my posts on this subject know better this isn't accurate. And the Geno Atkins statement is illogical. Using this logic, NFL teams should wait until the 6th round to draft a QB because Tom Brady was drafted in round 6. I also am more than aware that the Bengals rotate their line because ALL teams rotate their lines and have done so since the early days of football. (Note: I was a mentor/coach on a high school football team so I understand some aspects of the game that some do not and that's not an insult. It's just that playing and/or coaching football gives one insight that non-players and/or non-coaches can't comprehend.) But the most puzzling statement in your post was the suggestion that by signing two quality free agents, the Bengals will be throwing away $35 million. I'm confused but I'll do my best to clear this up. Teams with much less to spend sign quality free agents on almost a yearly basis and many of these teams win championships and this years Denver Broncos are a perfect example. The Bengals are gonna have to deal with free agents every year as all teams do. Some years they're gonna have more prominent players to work contracts out with and some years not so much. That's life in today's NFL. Here's what you don't seem to understand but maybe I'm wrong and you do understand. The Bengals could have won the Super Bowl this past season if not for a fumble and a few tough breaks. That's why the Bengals need to do as much as they can during this off-season to put together the best team possible for 2016. To forfeiture the upcoming season by not making the team as strong as possible all because of fears concerning the teams 2017 free agents is shortsightedness. Besides, the Bengals can sign a couple of really good free agents now, all their 2016 draft picks and still have a lot of money left over for future free agents. And what we're not factoring into this is the money they'll save this year and next by restructuring some current contracts or waiving players outright. And there's always a chance the cap goes even further up giving them even more room as it did this year! Once again, the Bengals have put themselves in a great situation financially and they have a competitive team on the verge of winning it all. There's no excuse for not using some of this cap space to sign some good players in an attempt to get them over the hump. The time to strike is now. PS - I edited this post because it was too aggressive and came across in a way that wasn't kind. My bad. -77 |
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Post by chocowinity on Feb 28, 2016 17:51:05 GMT -5
The Bengals are notorious for bringing in players that are considered by most to be 'over the hill'. Last years signing of A.J. Hawk is a good example. So it occurred to me that the Bengals will almost assuredly add a WR during the off-season and the Colts just released the aging Andre Johnson. Could they? Would they? Should they? All I know is that Johnson has been in the league since the cretaceous period and the Colts weren't satisfied with his production. However, from the outside looking in, Johnson has all the qualities the Bengals look for in a free agent: Older age, declining skills, and most importantly, a cheap price tag. Personally, I'm against signing Johnson but what do you guys think? Is Johnson a legitimate option or should the Bengals pass? I am back fro having a Pacemaker implanted. Feel great. I agree with you 77. Remember T.Owens!!! |
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Post by 77bengal on Feb 29, 2016 16:22:45 GMT -5
The Bengals are notorious for bringing in players that are considered by most to be 'over the hill'. Last years signing of A.J. Hawk is a good example. So it occurred to me that the Bengals will almost assuredly add a WR during the off-season and the Colts just released the aging Andre Johnson. Could they? Would they? Should they? All I know is that Johnson has been in the league since the cretaceous period and the Colts weren't satisfied with his production. However, from the outside looking in, Johnson has all the qualities the Bengals look for in a free agent: Older age, declining skills, and most importantly, a cheap price tag. Personally, I'm against signing Johnson but what do you guys think? Is Johnson a legitimate option or should the Bengals pass? I am back fro having a Pacemaker implanted. Feel great. I agree with you 77. Remember T.Owens!!! Hope you're doing well Choco. Sounds as if you are. Yeah, I remember Terrell Owens and I also remember Antonio Bryant. Bryant was signed by the Bengals to a 4 year $28 million contract even though he had a bad knee that had to be surgically repaired. And when the knee didn't heal properly, the Bengals released him and have been using this signing for a few years now as an excuse for not signing other pricier free agents. This line of thinking is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. The Bengals took a big risk by signing Bryant and when things didn't work out they made the claim that they're 'cursed' when it comes to signing pricey free agents. Therefore we're not gonna sign any. That about as illogical as it gets. |
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Post by Rodneck on Feb 29, 2016 17:17:02 GMT -5
Guys look at it like this. We have a team right now that knows how to play together. Especially our defense. We have a top five defense. We stand to lose the most important pieces. Signing Iloka imo is way more important than Marvin Jones. He will not come cheap. Safeties like him are hard to find. Adam Jones may be aging, but he is the best CB on this team. He wont demand top CB money because of age but he wont be real cheap. But hes earned a good contract. Marvin Jones imo, is good but he can be replaced easily. WE HAVE to spend money keeping this defense together! If they sign Iloka, the only position they should seek outside of our own guys, is LB. Namely James Laurinaitis. Next years list of FAs, Tyler Eifert, Whitworth, Kevin Zeitler, Dre Kirpatrick, Giovani Bernard. When you look at that, they don't have 35 million to just blow away! Whitworth can go. But these other guys? Wont come cheap. And you think they should spend big money on a WR in FA? I say no. Draft one by rd 2. Then grab another later in mid rd. I disagree with 77 that we can't get a really good DL in rd 3 and 4. And apparently so do the Bengals. Look where we got Atkins. One thing you have to keep in mind is they rotate their line. Rod our OL was crap your right. But we drafted 2 OTs in the 1st two rds last year. If they shore up our own guys on defense and pick up another in FA. That opens the draft up for us to get what we need left on defense and get 2 receivers a center will be available in mid rds. WE still have Marcus Hardin he got injured in preseason so we still yet to see what he can do. Bottom line after we sign our own and look at 2017 FAs we don't have as much money to hit FA like you think. If we can't keep our DBs together we are screwed. Lost, you've got to be kidding me. This post is wrong in so many ways I don't know where to start. (But there are a few parts I agree with.) I never posted that we couldn't get any good DL in round 3 or later and those that follow my yearly mock drafts know better than that. And the Geno Atkins statement is silly. Using this logic, NFL teams should wait until the 6th round to draft a QB because Tom Brady was drafted in round 6. I also am more than aware that the Bengals rotate their line because ALL teams rotate their lines and have done so since the early days of football. (Note: I was a mentor/coach on a high school football team so I understand some aspects of the game that some do not and that's not an insult. It's just that playing and/or coaching football gives one insight that non-players and/or non-coaches can't comprehend.) But the most puzzling statement in your post was the suggestion that by signing two quality free agents, the Bengals will be throwing away $35 million. I'm confused but I'll do my best to clear this up. Teams with much less to spend sign quality free agents on almost a yearly basis and many of these teams win championships and this years Denver Broncos are a perfect example. The Bengals are gonna have to deal with free agents every year as all teams do. Some years they're gonna have more prominent players to work contracts out with and some years not so much. That's life in today's NFL. Here's what you don't seem to understand but maybe you do. The Bengals could have won the Super Bowl this past season if not for a few tough breaks. That's why the Bengals need to do as much as they can during this off-season to put together the best team possible for 2016. To forfeiture the upcoming season by not making the team as strong as possible all because of fears about the signing of 2017 free agents is shortsightedness. Besides, the Bengals can sign a couple of really good free agents now, all their 2016 draft picks and still have a lot of money left over for future free agents. And what we're not factoring into this is the money they'll save this year and next by restructuring some current contracts or waiving players outright. And there's always a chance the cap goes even further up giving them even more room as it did this year! Once again, the Bengals have put themselves in a great situation financially and they have a competitive team on the verge of winning it all. There's no excuse for not using some of this cap space to sign some good players in an attempt to get them over the hump. Boy you really struck a nerve here. Fans and teams get lulled into competitive complacency. They get good and think it's going to go on and on and on forever. They can't imagine being not good again. And it happens over night. It strikes like a thunderbolt. This run we are on. It could evaporate before our very eyes. I thought it was going to happen last season and I think Dalton's inexplicable turnaround inspired the defense to play inspired ball also. But this group is not going to be competitive forever. And because of that reality you need to go for it at some point. It takes the Bengals a long time to learn things. I hope this lesson has been learned or this window will evaporate too. |
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Post by lostwou on Mar 1, 2016 7:35:42 GMT -5
Guys look at it like this. We have a team right now that knows how to play together. Especially our defense. We have a top five defense. We stand to lose the most important pieces. Signing Iloka imo is way more important than Marvin Jones. He will not come cheap. Safeties like him are hard to find. Adam Jones may be aging, but he is the best CB on this team. He wont demand top CB money because of age but he wont be real cheap. But hes earned a good contract. Marvin Jones imo, is good but he can be replaced easily. WE HAVE to spend money keeping this defense together! If they sign Iloka, the only position they should seek outside of our own guys, is LB. Namely James Laurinaitis. Next years list of FAs, Tyler Eifert, Whitworth, Kevin Zeitler, Dre Kirpatrick, Giovani Bernard. When you look at that, they don't have 35 million to just blow away! Whitworth can go. But these other guys? Wont come cheap. And you think they should spend big money on a WR in FA? I say no. Draft one by rd 2. Then grab another later in mid rd. I disagree with 77 that we can't get a really good DL in rd 3 and 4. And apparently so do the Bengals. Look where we got Atkins. One thing you have to keep in mind is they rotate their line. Rod our OL was crap your right. But we drafted 2 OTs in the 1st two rds last year. If they shore up our own guys on defense and pick up another in FA. That opens the draft up for us to get what we need left on defense and get 2 receivers a center will be available in mid rds. WE still have Marcus Hardin he got injured in preseason so we still yet to see what he can do. Bottom line after we sign our own and look at 2017 FAs we don't have as much money to hit FA like you think. If we can't keep our DBs together we are screwed. This post misrepresents my stance on a lot of different points. (But there are a few parts I agree with.) I never posted that we couldn't get any good DL in round 3 or later and those that have followed my posts on this subject know better this isn't accurate. And the Geno Atkins statement is illogical. Using this logic, NFL teams should wait until the 6th round to draft a QB because Tom Brady was drafted in round 6. I also am more than aware that the Bengals rotate their line because ALL teams rotate their lines and have done so since the early days of football. (Note: I was a mentor/coach on a high school football team so I understand some aspects of the game that some do not and that's not an insult. It's just that playing and/or coaching football gives one insight that non-players and/or non-coaches can't comprehend.) But the most puzzling statement in your post was the suggestion that by signing two quality free agents, the Bengals will be throwing away $35 million. I'm confused but I'll do my best to clear this up. Teams with much less to spend sign quality free agents on almost a yearly basis and many of these teams win championships and this years Denver Broncos are a perfect example. The Bengals are gonna have to deal with free agents every year as all teams do. Some years they're gonna have more prominent players to work contracts out with and some years not so much. That's life in today's NFL. Here's what you don't seem to understand but maybe I'm wrong and you do understand. The Bengals could have won the Super Bowl this past season if not for a fumble and a few tough breaks. That's why the Bengals need to do as much as they can during this off-season to put together the best team possible for 2016. To forfeiture the upcoming season by not making the team as strong as possible all because of fears concerning the teams 2017 free agents is shortsightedness. Besides, the Bengals can sign a couple of really good free agents now, all their 2016 draft picks and still have a lot of money left over for future free agents. And what we're not factoring into this is the money they'll save this year and next by restructuring some current contracts or waiving players outright. And there's always a chance the cap goes even further up giving them even more room as it did this year! Once again, the Bengals have put themselves in a great situation financially and they have a competitive team on the verge of winning it all. There's no excuse for not using some of this cap space to sign some good players in an attempt to get them over the hump. The time to strike is now. PS - I edited this post because it was too aggressive and came across in a way that wasn't kind. My bad. -77 If you go back and look you said only 4 DTs were worthy of 1st rd picks. I simply disagree with that. And if you have to get angry and be unkind because someone doesn't agree with you that's on you. Your not the only one on the board who has intelligent opinions or knows more about football. |
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