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Post by socalredsfan on Jul 27, 2016 13:24:53 GMT -5
I would not deal Votto and eat his contract. Look around the league. His contract, based on his production is not bad at all. Secondly, I would look to re-sign Cozart for a club favored contract at all possible. There is no SS on this team that is even half as valuable. Suarez has a bat, and hopefully can play 2nd base at some point, but he's not a SS, and Peraza is a joke. This kid is one of the most overrated prospects I can remember seeing. I would deal him in a trade with someone else, if at all possible, making the trade look more valuable to another team. Peraza will NEVER help this club. Wow. Let it rip why don't ya! I really don't disagree with what you have to say here but I am not writing off a young kid like Peraza til he plays everyday and confirms what he really is good or bad. We see cookie cutter prospects turn into a steaming pile of dogshit just as often as we see mediocrities become superstars when it clicks for them. Where we are at right now I am definitely looking and hoping to find that shiny side of this dismal reality. Extending old players for contention that could be 2020 is not my idea of smart. That guys like Bruce and Cozart are playing well is optimal for everything. We can get a modicum of value. They can get an opportunity. We get to see what the potential of the future is. I get the sense we are running in place as is Chris. LOL. Yeah, felt like talking a little Reds baseball; it's been a while. As I mentioned to Clay, my feelings about Peraza are based on his minor league numbers as well. The kid doesn't get on base, and he doesn't walk. And personally, despite what I've heard, he looks terrible defensively; looks like a damn bullfighter at times. My point is, deal him in a deal that helps put more value on the veteran that we trade, and we get something for this kid before everyone and their mother realizes that he absolutely sucks. Also, I'm not sure that this team needs a complete and crazy rebuild that some are wanting, especially when considering who is making the deals. Right now, we are seeing, that as the bullpen gets better, everything is improving. The rotation will be that much better next year, and by 2018 should be one hell of a staff. The offense has lot's of possibilities when you add Winker, and Senzel in 2018, which based on early returns is a legitimate estimate for when that kid gets here. He is looking tremendous in his 1st promotion already. There is nothing wrong with a couple veterans in the lineup (Votto, Cozart, and possibly Bruce). And by the way, I'm not suggesting holding onto Bruce, but I'm very concerned he gets dealt for nothing more than what Frazier gained us, and that was worthless. Consider 2018 possibility: Mesoraco (or someone else) C Votto 1b Suarez 2b Cozart SS Senzel 3b Duvall, Hamilton, Winker I mentioned Bruce up above. I would possibly work something out with him, if I couldn't get the right deal that benefits this team, and possibly consider moving Duval. Duval is going to be good for a couple of years at the most, but his pedigree suggests he's at his peak right now, and could possibly generate a king's ransom for us, based on his numbers, age, and team control. My big concern for this team is OBP, and Votto, Senzel, and Winker will give you 3 out of 8 everyday guys with a much higher than league average OBP, which is an excellent start. If you have that, you can afford the low obp of Cozart and Hamilton in trade for their defense. Duvall though is a wild card, and as is Suarez. |
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Post by claycc on Jul 27, 2016 17:08:13 GMT -5
Clay, my point about Peraza is derived from his minor league numbers as well. If you look at this AAA numbers, and his MLB numbers (small sample size, I get that), his OBP is less than MLB average OBP's, and his ability to walk is just abysmal. The difference for me with Hamilton, in comparison though, is that he is an absolute game changer with his defense. Hell, he puts up positive WAR numbers because of his defense alone. You mentioned Duvall, and looking at the pipeline, I'm not sure I wouldn't be looking to work Duvall in at 3rd some, because we could potentially see two kids move into the outfield shortly, and 3rd base would need to be filled, because in my opinion, you can't keep Suarez at 3rd. He's horrible over there. As for Cozart, at the very least, he's still under team control for I think 2 years; maybe just one more. My point about him is that we have NO ONE in the system that can play SS at any degree of MLB caliber. His defense is off the charges good, and I'm not sure that he would be that expensive, especially under a two year deal. Part of my feelings on this, come from the reality, that this year thus far, doesn't seem to have garnered a whole lot in interest in him from other teams yet. Why give him up for so little, when he won't be very expensive? You mentioned league minimum salary as an option for SS, but who would that be? By the way, I'm all for trading him if we can get some real benefit in return, but dumping him for the likes of a Peraza type is crazy to me, and right now, I'm not sure we could even get someone like that for him. I'm sort of the same belief regarding Bruce too. If we aren't getting a $hit load for him, then hold onto him, and work on dealing him in the winter. Worst case scenario you have a top notch hitter at a fair price in your system still. We're making the same points about Peraza. When we pushed to get him, it was obvious that he was a no-walk/low-obp, contact hitting, half-measure as a tablesetter. Hamilton has been of the same mold, but doesn't have the back history of being a contact hitter. They've been trying to make Hamilton that by having him switch hit and bunt more often. We all understand that your tablesetters need to do one thing well: OBP/get on base. Neither of them do that. There are two ways to get there: walks (again, neither of them do that) and hitting (neither of them have done it in the majors, but Peraza has shown better numbers through out his minor league stops). Hamilton seems to be hitting better this season, but he has slumped back into numbers that are rather typical for him. Still, if he is going to show improvement with the bat, that increases his value over Peraza any day of the week. I don't think we're going to be happy with either one of them over the long run. That's going to be especially painful to come to terms with when it comes to Hamilton. As far as making deals with anyone else, I don't think any of us have much faith in the front office to get things done adequately. As long as Walt has his hand in the cookie jar, we're going to undersell because we wait too long. Right now, MLBTR is reporting that the Mariners are in the lead for Bruce. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Mariners didn't have much of anything to pluck from them. But that would make sense for Walt... get practically nothing for our best piece on the table. |
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Post by clinz on Jul 27, 2016 20:51:19 GMT -5
I looked at the Mariners top prospects. Shit. Pure shit.
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