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Post by redsfan4life on Jun 23, 2018 11:18:49 GMT -5
Shows what can happen when you get solid starting pitching. I know this offense can be shutout with ease. But it is a decent enough offense to win it's share of games when we get solid pitching.
Sucks about Senzel.
What would you do with Scooter?
It IMO is a tough call. I would make Peraza a backup next season or trade him this offseason. I would keep Scooter. He IMO has proved enough to me that he is legit as a hitter. A butcher at 2b but hitting like he has you can live with his glove. I have saw talk of moving him to the OF bad desicion IMO.
Senzel is probably gonna play in Arizona fall league now after the injury. I would plant him at SS there and he would be my opening day SS. A infield of Suarez at 3b Senzel at SS and Scooter at 2b Votto at 1b is top notch.
Winker in LF. I keep Schebler in RF he is younger than Duvall. Trade Duvall and Billy for low level prospects. I go out and trade for or sign a CFer a good stop gap guy till Trammel is ready.
I would falt out make Iglesias a priority to trade either in July or the offseason.
I would put either Lorenzen or Garrett in the rotation.
Castillo, Mahle,Disco,Lorenzen wouldn't be a bad rotation. They still need a proven rotation guy to contend. I am not sold on Romano.
Garrett, Hughes, Hernandez is a decent start to a bull pen. I am hoping for at least .500 ball next year. At least be in contention for a wildcard spot through August.
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Post by Rodneck on Jun 23, 2018 12:03:29 GMT -5
Keeping all Reds pitchers as your rotation is a bad idea. If there is no influx of real starting pitching without trading away offense then this team will only be running in place. All the other moves I won't get into because they will be irrelevant without pitching so IMO it warrants no discussion. Riding this little wave with you though bro!
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Post by Rodneck on Jun 24, 2018 9:32:21 GMT -5
Shows what can happen when you get solid starting pitching. I know this offense can be shutout with ease. But it is a decent enough offense to win it's share of games when we get solid pitching. Sucks about Senzel. What would you do with Scooter? It IMO is a tough call. I would make Peraza a backup next season or trade him this offseason. I would keep Scooter. He IMO has proved enough to me that he is legit as a hitter. A butcher at 2b but hitting like he has you can live with his glove. I have saw talk of moving him to the OF bad desicion IMO. Senzel is probably gonna play in Arizona fall league now after the injury. I would plant him at SS there and he would be my opening day SS. A infield of Suarez at 3b Senzel at SS and Scooter at 2b Votto at 1b is top notch. Winker in LF. I keep Schebler in RF he is younger than Duvall. Trade Duvall and Billy for low level prospects. I go out and trade for or sign a CFer a good stop gap guy till Trammel is ready. I would falt out make Iglesias a priority to trade either in July or the offseason. I would put either Lorenzen or Garrett in the rotation. Castillo, Mahle,Disco,Lorenzen wouldn't be a bad rotation. They still need a proven rotation guy to contend. I am not sold on Romano. Garrett, Hughes, Hernandez is a decent start to a bull pen. I am hoping for at least .500 ball next year. At least be in contention for a wildcard spot through August. On the Romano question. I would be more critical of Castillo than Romano. Is your assessment strictly based off velocity? I see Romano as a Harang type. It took Tang a while to come around but he was money when he did obviously. But Romano actually did have an ERA under 4.00 for a part of this year and has the best 2 starts the last 2 times through the rotation. Here are their last 3 starts. Castillo 5.2 IP-3 ER 5-3 6-5 Romano 7 IP-0 ER 8-1 5-5 |
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Post by socalredsfan on Jun 25, 2018 15:23:47 GMT -5
Interesting subject. In my opinion, you keep Scooter. I'm just amazed at all the stuff I read suggesting that we deal him. Scooter is one of the best hitters in the game right now, and has been for a season and a half. He's probably the most productive 2nd baseman in the game this year so far, at least in the NL. He also is playing better defense than he was, but still not great. Having said that, and I'd like to see Senzel playing SS too, I'm not sure you want to have Senzel and Scooter up the middle on a nightly basis. That's a subpar middle infield, no matter how you slice it.
As for starters. I'm with Rod. You need to bring a key impact guy into the fold. Impact guy, with Castillo, Romano, Mahle, and Disco (not in that order). Not sure why you would suggest Lorenzen in the rotation. He's too injury prone, and quite frankly, wasn't very good, and has never really been a starter. In my opinion, he should be a reliever, and should see some time in CF later in games. Lorenzen can play CF, and he can hit. Again, I agree with Rod, about Romano. Don't give up on him. I could see him being like Harang. Kid will battle all day long. Yesterday Romano went into the 5th inning with a shutout, having been outstanding the previous two starts. He gets that 3rd out yesterday, and we probably aren't even having this discussion. I'm still a huge, huge Garrett fan, and thing he should be starting, but right now, and at this point, even taking into consideration Garrett's own personal love of coming out of the bullpen now, I'd go ahead and leave him there for now.
Also, if you are going to look to trade Iglesias, then Lorenzen and Garrett need to be in the bullpen. By the way, I agree with dealing Iglesias.
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Post by forty on Jun 25, 2018 16:01:43 GMT -5
Dealing Scooter and or Duvall is dumb. They need to pony up and sign a FA starting pitcher. Other than that I can ride with this team.
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Post by Rodneck on Jun 25, 2018 16:32:28 GMT -5
Dealing Scooter and or Duvall is dumb. They need to pony up and sign a FA starting pitcher. Other than that I can ride with this team. Absolutely. Squander nothing. Greedy and desirous of trade can still get shit done. |
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Post by Rodneck on Jun 25, 2018 16:34:58 GMT -5
Interesting subject. In my opinion, you keep Scooter. I'm just amazed at all the stuff I read suggesting that we deal him. Scooter is one of the best hitters in the game right now, and has been for a season and a half. He's probably the most productive 2nd baseman in the game this year so far, at least in the NL. He also is playing better defense than he was, but still not great. Having said that, and I'd like to see Senzel playing SS too, I'm not sure you want to have Senzel and Scooter up the middle on a nightly basis. That's a subpar middle infield, no matter how you slice it. As for starters. I'm with Rod. You need to bring a key impact guy into the fold. Impact guy, with Castillo, Romano, Mahle, and Disco (not in that order). Not sure why you would suggest Lorenzen in the rotation. He's too injury prone, and quite frankly, wasn't very good, and has never really been a starter. In my opinion, he should be a reliever, and should see some time in CF later in games. Lorenzen can play CF, and he can hit. Again, I agree with Rod, about Romano. Don't give up on him. I could see him being like Harang. Kid will battle all day long. Yesterday Romano went into the 5th inning with a shutout, having been outstanding the previous two starts. He gets that 3rd out yesterday, and we probably aren't even having this discussion. I'm still a huge, huge Garrett fan, and thing he should be starting, but right now, and at this point, even taking into consideration Garrett's own personal love of coming out of the bullpen now, I'd go ahead and leave him there for now. Also, if you are going to look to trade Iglesias, then Lorenzen and Garrett need to be in the bullpen. By the way, I agree with dealing Iglesias. Boy have we come a long way! The Garrett decision I roll with too. Glad we have something to talk about for crying out loud! |
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Post by redsfan4life on Jun 25, 2018 18:25:12 GMT -5
It has been a fun week. I hope they can keep it up. Not go on a long losing streak is what I mean by keeping it up.
I am in the keep Scooter camp. I either play Senzel at SS or CF? Get him in Arizona fall league playing on of those positions. Have him play it all spring.
Unload Duvall and Iglesias for prospects. Pony up and get a TOR TYPE starter for next year. Have Disco,Castillo,Mahle and Romano as 2-5. We still need a couple guys in AAA capable of filling in the rotation. Because we all know 5 guys won't stay healthy for a full season need to be 7-8 deep in starters.
Roll with
Garrett, Lorenzen,Hughes and Hernandez as top 3 in the pen. Maybe Crockett can fill LOOGY role.
I would like to see a STARTING 8 OF
Votto Scooter I guess I will roll with Peraza and Suarez
A OF of Winker Senzel and Schebler.
IMO If they Keep Scooter. I hope they do and I believe they will. Senzel either needs to be put at SS or CF. That gets either Hamilton or Peraza out.
I think I would rather plant Senzel in CF.
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Post by claycc on Jun 25, 2018 19:10:40 GMT -5
I see no reason why they would even consider Senzel in CF. Especially with his vertigo lingering. If they considered him for the outfield, it would be a corner spot. Plain and simple, he's going to play either 2B or SS. He'll take over at 2B eventually after they decide to cash in on Gennett's growing value. OR, he'll take over at SS when they decide to either give up on Peraza or move him to CF because they gave up on Hamilton.
Duvall won't get a bucket of balls right now. Absolutely horrible season so far and his history shows that he seriously fades in the second half. The only way Duvall has any value is if he finishes the season strong and proves to other teams that he's at least somewhat close to a 162-game player. Then, maybe we can get something decent for him in the off season.
It's funny how we all felt that Garrett got dicked over at the beginning of the season by being sent to the pen. Now, his presence there is honestly the only reason we can consider dealing Iglesias.
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Post by Rodneck on Jun 26, 2018 12:14:27 GMT -5
I have 2 thoughts on all this. Are we the most unlucky team on earth or what? Our top prospect has dizzy spells and is out for the season with a finger injury. Is he crumbling the closer he gets to the majors? Jesus! What a fragile little egg.
I don't get rid of shit. I don't lose anybody that's good. If it costs money spend it. If it costs prospects do it. The moment at hand is all that matters. You lose for half a decade and you bought the team in 2007 shut your fucking mouth and do shit...
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Post by claycc on Jun 26, 2018 12:31:40 GMT -5
I have 2 thoughts on all this. Are we the most unlucky team on earth or what? Our top prospect has dizzy spells and is out for the season with a finger injury. Is he crumbling the closer he gets to the majors? Jesus! What a fragile little egg. I don't get rid of shit. I don't lose anybody that's good. If it costs money spend it. If it costs prospects do it. The moment at hand is all that matters. You lose for half a decade and you bought the team in 2007 shut your fucking mouth and do shit...
I think they are being cautious with him. The vertigo might bench him at times, but just short term. He returned from that to knock the cover off the ball. Gotta wonder if he's a little snake bit between that and the finger. But hey, I guess that froze the clock for his service time. Even if he's 100% ready next Spring, they'll still send him to AAA to wait some time out.
They might get rid of someone, but it will clearly be to open a spot. I read something earlier where Williams was asked if we were buyers or sellers as we make our way to the trade deadline. He said we're buyers. It read like he was saying that it's time. Time to start bringing in pieces that the farm system either won't or will be slow to provide. I had to re-read it... and breath out a "fuck yeah!" sigh once it soaked in. lol
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Post by forty on Jun 26, 2018 12:42:42 GMT -5
With the exception of Votto everyone we have is cheap. Hamilton will begin to get expensive next year so maybe we need to look at CF. Duval doesn't even hit arbitration till next year so no need to jump the gun. Peralta is playing like his job depends on it now and I believe it does.
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Post by claycc on Jun 26, 2018 12:46:24 GMT -5
Dick Williams said Saturday (via John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer) that “we are open to adding. We’re going to start moving into the building mode at the deadline and this offseason.”
That reads like it's change in approach. My viewpoint anyhow.
Maybe I'm wrong to read into it like that. But it still gave me a bit of an e-boner.
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Post by redsfan4life on Jun 26, 2018 16:13:06 GMT -5
I saw where Williams said Senzel would have no problem converting to the OF if need be. If Scooter is kept Senzel must move positions IMO. I really can't see Scooter be able to play anywhere else. Then there is Herrera who seems to have his shoulder problems behind him and he can hit. Then Shed Long is probably only a year away. We are stocked at 2B. Someone has to switch positions. They are going to make a trade or two either in July or the offseason. Long,Senzel,Dilson Herrera and Scooter. One at least from that group will be traded.
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Post by claycc on Jun 26, 2018 21:15:39 GMT -5
I saw where Williams said Senzel would have no problem converting to the OF if need be. If Scooter is kept Senzel must move positions IMO. I really can't see Scooter be able to play anywhere else. Then there is Herrera who seems to have his shoulder problems behind him and he can hit. Then Shed Long is probably only a year away. We are stocked at 2B. Someone has to switch positions. They are going to make a trade or two either in July or the offseason. Long,Senzel,Dilson Herrera and Scooter. One at least from that group will be traded.
"If need be..." The fact is, it's not needed. (Might be preferred, though)
Deal off Hamilton OR Duvall and add Senzel to the outfield mix, and you have the same situation that you have now with Winker on a 4-man OF rotation. As long as we have Hamilton and Duvall, they are going to play. They won't sit bench. They'd love to be able to increase Duvall's trade value in order to get a little more out of him. And the temptation of Hamilton's speed far surpasses management's acceptance that he just doesn't perform that well. Do we instead dangle Winker out for a trade in order to make room for Senzel? Or, I guess, we could dangle Schebler out for the same purpose. I mean, right now, those two would bring a better return. But that's a steep price right now. I seriously doubt if we would go with a 5-man OF rotation as well.
Either way you go with Senzel, some bodies will have to be moved. Of course, they probably wasn't expecting that their current 2nd baseman would be leading the league in hitting either.
Louisville has been overstocked on those 2b/3b guys. You can add Blandino and Dixon to that mix as well, even though their value is much lower. Louisville has pretty much been forced to play people out of their normal positions.
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